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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Mad Dawg

My sister was in one of those huge prosperity based religions and she started rocking the boat. She wanted to help the poor, well, that didn’t come off well and she started getting ostracized.

On Valentine’s day her house burned to the ground and they pretty much told her the same thing. God’s vengeance and displeasure.

The funny thing was is the reason they couldn’t/wouldn’t start a ministry for the poor is that they had gotten way over their heads in debt and were just trying to make it from week to week.

She and her husband are looking for a place to live and neither of them want to live in the Bible Belt any longer, they think the people are meaner than more secular places.

I’m certainly praying for her to find a faith home and I did tell her to study “Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth”.


2,621 posted on 06/05/2008 12:29:41 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: wagglebee
I’m sorry, I don’t understand your post

No, they don't know. They don't care either. They skimmed just enough to know it's a Catholic word which we "need" so they know it's blasphemous and whatnot — except for maybe they do know but they're just on another "Drive them nuts" kick.

2,622 posted on 06/05/2008 12:29:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Judith Anne; 1000 silverlings; OLD REGGIE; Quix; DungeonMaster; John Leland 1789; Alex Murphy; ...
Because I love the Church, derogatory things said about it tend to rile me. I should just pray for St. Mary to bless the one who says them.

???

But we're so often told that Catholics do not pray to Mary, and yet here you are, doing just that.

In fact, even your tag makes that grave error...

"(I love all Protestants, and pray that Mary will soften their hearts and open their eyes to the truth)"

Praying to Mary to soften Protestant hearts? The Bible tells us that is the work and office and responsibility and joy of the Holy Spirit to do exactly that. And yet here you are giving over the work of the Holy Spirit to Mary, a now-deceased creature who was just as fallen as you and me.

Nowhere in Scripture are we told to pray to anyone other than the Triune God alone.

And here you are praying for Mary to fulfill the purpose of the Holy Spirit.

Incredible. Read the Bible and learn the truth.

"But God hath revealed them unto us by his spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God...

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." -- 1 Corinthians 2:10-12;16


"Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his spirit.

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God." -- 1 John 4:13-15

Years ago I read that as much as anything else he did or wrote, Calvin re-asserted the truth of the Holy Spirit in the lives of Christ's flock which had been all but extinguished by the RCC. Sadly, after years on this forum, it's clear that same obscuring and nullifying of the work of the Holy Spirit continues on through the teachings of Rome to this day.

2,623 posted on 06/05/2008 12:31:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Petronski; netmilsmom

I’m curious, do you reject Martin Luther’s “95 Theses”?


2,624 posted on 06/05/2008 12:31:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Petronski

I think she was responding to the quote Petronski copied from Dr. E and did not ping her too.


2,625 posted on 06/05/2008 12:32:01 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Mad Dawg; wagglebee

Note to self: try posting with your eyes open. The part in quotes was spozed to be your query about whether they know what “Vicar” means”


2,626 posted on 06/05/2008 12:33:02 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Antoninus

I’m so impatient. In adoration I ask Jesus, why and mostly ask that my heart remain right because I am just human and to love some of these people truly, is begging for the Supernatural Love of God.


2,627 posted on 06/05/2008 12:36:04 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: wagglebee

Why don’t you pick one of the 95 and ask me about it?


2,628 posted on 06/05/2008 12:36:50 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mad Dawg
“‘Co-’ can indeed be used to denote inferiority.”
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Sorry for the delay. I got my magnifying glass out and went all the way through the definitions and usages of “co-” in The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford University Press, 1993, pp. 425, 426. The sense that it “can denote inferiority” is absent from the definitions. The synonym most used in the definitions, probably 30 to 50 times, is “joint.”
2,629 posted on 06/05/2008 12:36:50 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
The synonym most used in the definitions, probably 30 to 50 times, is "joint."

Clearly.

2,630 posted on 06/05/2008 12:37:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Mary is not dead.

Did you know that "pray" also means "to ask?"

v., prayed, pray·ing, prays.

v.intr.

1. To utter or address a prayer or prayers to God, a god, or another object of worship.
2. To make a fervent request or entreaty.

v.tr.

1. To utter or say a prayer or prayers to; address by prayer.
2. To ask (someone) imploringly; beseech. Now often used elliptically for I pray you to introduce a request or entreaty: Pray be careful.
3. To make a devout or earnest request for: I pray your permission to speak.
4. To move or bring by prayer or entreaty.

[Middle English preien, from Old French preier, from Latin precārī, from precē, pl. of *prex, prayer.]

2,631 posted on 06/05/2008 12:38:50 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Why don’t you pick one of the 95 and ask me about it?

You accept some and reject others?

2,632 posted on 06/05/2008 12:39:56 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: wagglebee

Do they think St. Peter and St. Paul are in hell?


2,633 posted on 06/05/2008 12:42:48 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: wagglebee

No doubt some of the 95 theses aren’t sufficiently anti-Catholic to sate the appetites of the disciples of Machen.


2,634 posted on 06/05/2008 12:43:11 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well, Luther clearly calls the Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of God and throughout the document he acknowledges that Peter was the first pope.


2,635 posted on 06/05/2008 12:44:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Ummmm, know your family tree?


2,636 posted on 06/05/2008 12:44:00 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki
Do they think St. Peter and St. Paul are in hell?

Well, Peter and Paul were Catholic, so no doubt there are some who will tell us they are in Hell. The first Pope especially!

2,637 posted on 06/05/2008 12:44:43 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: wagglebee

I meant to add, you could always do it again until you find a verse that fits better. LOL


2,638 posted on 06/05/2008 12:44:55 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Nowhere in Scripture are we told to pray to anyone other than the Triune God alone.

Were in Scripture are we told not to pray to anyone other than God?

2,639 posted on 06/05/2008 12:45:02 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: tiki

I have no idea, a day or so ago it was indicated that the Blessed Mother may or may not be in Heaven.


2,640 posted on 06/05/2008 12:45:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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