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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: papertyger

Is the co-pilot equal to the pilot?


261 posted on 06/01/2008 12:11:31 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius
Is the co-pilot equal to the pilot?

Sorry Philo, THAT cock-pit is a single seater...

262 posted on 06/01/2008 12:15:49 AM PDT by Iscool (<p><i>)
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To: Iscool

Are we not all one in the Body of Christ?


263 posted on 06/01/2008 12:17:22 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Iscool

But your dodging of the question is noted as a concession that co-actors can be explicitly subordinate, the way anyone saved co-operates [that prefix again!] with God’s grace.


264 posted on 06/01/2008 12:19:04 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius
Are we not all one in the Body of Christ?

We are all members of the Body...There is only ONE Head...There is not a co-Head (except in some twisted, perverted minds of some religionists)...

265 posted on 06/01/2008 12:20:39 AM PDT by Iscool (<p><i>)
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To: Iscool

Fine. How does that stop us from being co-operators in Christ’s sacrifice—as we make up what is lacking?


266 posted on 06/01/2008 12:22:54 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius
But your dodging of the question is noted as a concession that co-actors can be explicitly subordinate, the way anyone saved co-operates [that prefix again!] with God’s grace.

I don't co-operate with God's Grace...That term was invented by your church...It means nothing...

Your church refuses to use the term, explicitly subordinate...You're trying to cover for your pope...He won't officially commit himself to claim Mary as a co-anything is subordinate...Co in itself doesn't mean subordinate...

267 posted on 06/01/2008 12:34:41 AM PDT by Iscool (<p><i>)
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To: Philo-Junius
Fine. How does that stop us from being co-operators in Christ’s sacrifice—as we make up what is lacking?

That's not what the verse says...There is nothing lacking in the Sacrifice Jesus provided...We don't do a thing to help Jesus out...

268 posted on 06/01/2008 12:37:21 AM PDT by Iscool (<p><i>)
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To: Iscool
That's not what the verse says...There is nothing lacking in the Sacrifice Jesus provided...We don't do a thing to help Jesus out...

Who made you pope?

269 posted on 06/01/2008 1:41:48 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Neither the Cana passage nor the Revelations passage say anything about Mary being "Queen".

The Wedding at Cana clearly illustrates how our Lord's Mother supports Jesus and guides God's children to obey him.

Revelations does prophecy Our Lady as a Queen.

Revelations 12:1

1 A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman 2 clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. 3 3 Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, 4 with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. 4 Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. 5 Her child was caught up to God and his throne. 6 The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days. 6

Crown is usually a symbol of royalty, leadership perhaps a queen? What is so hard to understand about a good, Jewish mother, who became our spiritual mother, and a role model for all of us. Some people venerate Shaquille O'Neil, we venerate Jesus' mother. She was a true part of Jesus, she is a great role model, and she helps us obey Jesus. She is such a great gift that God gave us.

270 posted on 06/01/2008 5:16:54 AM PDT by mgist
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To: papertyger
Who made you pope?

That's where they got you guys duped...You don't have to be a pope to read and know what God says...In fact, it helps if you're not...

271 posted on 06/01/2008 6:21:50 AM PDT by Iscool (<p><i>)
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To: mgist
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Crown is usually a symbol of royalty, leadership perhaps a queen?

This woman is NOT Mary...Why do you people refuse to study the scriptures???

The woman is Israel...The twelve stars of the crown are the twelve tribes of Israel...

What is so hard to understand about a good, Jewish mother, who became our spiritual mother, and a role model for all of us.

Because it's a fantasy...A fabrication...Just like the story of the crown on the woman's head...

272 posted on 06/01/2008 7:00:16 AM PDT by Iscool (<p><i>)
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To: papertyger

Actually, it would just be alright if Catholics would just come out with it and say something like, “Okay, we do believe that no person can be saved and go to heaven without going through Mary, so you non-Catholics need to repent and appeal to Mary for salvation (among other Catholic church requirement). If you don’t you can only expect to spend eternity in Hell.”


273 posted on 06/01/2008 7:21:57 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ The Bible is not a recipe book, a roadmap, an instruction manual, or scientific textbook of any kind. It does not directly deal with any phenomena of physical nature. Thus its subject matter is entirely beyond the realm of scientific description. Its subject matter is the spiritual dimension of human life and experience — to man's relations with God, Nature, and Society. ]

The spiritual dimension(SD) is hard to get around..
Many... explaining it away confuse themselves, I believe..

The SD could complete Quantum Mechanics.. and further explain Reletivity..
Maybe its the link between the miroscopic and telescopic Universe..

274 posted on 06/01/2008 8:07:00 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: John Leland 1789
“Okay, we do believe that no person can be saved and go to heaven without going through Mary, so you non-Catholics need to repent and appeal to Mary for salvation (among other Catholic church requirement). If you don’t you can only expect to spend eternity in Hell.”

Why would Catholics "come out and say" something so demonstrably non-Catholic?

Anyone who believes that quote represents what Catholics secretly believed should seek professional help.

275 posted on 06/01/2008 8:10:00 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Iscool
There is not a co-Head (except in some twisted, perverted minds of some religionists)...

The twisted perverted minds in this are the ones insisting that Catholicism teaches something that Catholicism does not teach.

276 posted on 06/01/2008 8:12:53 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: papertyger

Each of the vicious anti-Catholic iconoclasts has made himself his own pope of his own YOPIOS church.


277 posted on 06/01/2008 8:14:40 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Iscool
Why do you people refuse to study the scriptures???

Anyone who disagrees with your own personal interpretation of Scripture "refuses to study" Scriptures?

LOL

Riiiiight.

278 posted on 06/01/2008 8:16:07 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop
Thank you so very much for sharing your views, dear brother in Christ!

Truly, as long as science operates under "methodological naturalism" it will never even ask the right questions.

279 posted on 06/01/2008 8:18:33 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Petronski; Iscool; OLD REGGIE; Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg
Does there exist anywhere in the Catholic literature a list of the names or titles officially used to refer to Mary and to God - their origins and meanings?
280 posted on 06/01/2008 8:28:42 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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