The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[DungeonMaster]

Mother of the living,

How is this not a the Goddess?

[Petronski]

Amazing that you refer to precision in language as fancy footwork.

Of course, how else can the explanation be dismissed?

And it must be dismissed, since it eviscerates the false claims about the meaning of the proposed term.

[Petronski]

If you want to make of her a goddess, go right ahead. Catholicism does not do so. In fact, it rejects any such suggestion.

[Petronski]

The only logical conclusion I can make from that, is, that the Vatican likes the implications of the meanings in English of co-.

Twisted logic like that is the real fancy footwork in action here.

[1000 silverlings]

LOL. She's the mother of God, but not a Goddess.

She's co-equal with Christ, but not a Goddess.

She's the Queen of Heaven, but not a Goddess.

She is equally responsible for your salvation, but not a Goddess.

All the denials are like Hillary refusing to leave.

[Petronski]

She's the mother of God, but not a Goddess.

True.

She's co-equal with Christ...

Catholicism does not teach that.

She's the Queen of Heaven, but not a Goddess.

True.

She is equally responsible for your salvation...

Catholicism does not teach that.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So if you have an illness and a bunch of people are praying for you, do you say "thank you" to them if you recover?

Not even in the slightest. We say "Thank you, God, for healing us." And we say "thank you" to our friends for their caring concern.

Do you believe God alters His plan for your life because you have 12 friends praying for you rather than six?

Oh, wait, that IS what the RCC teaches. Even after a person has died the RCC believes the number of prayers received on another person's behalf changes their status before God.

Every bit of that being a works-based salvation which is denied in Scripture over and over and over.

God understands what we need before we even ask. God hears all prayers, but He knows our prayers before we say them. He knows what we require before we ask. He knows what will become of us even as we pray for something to occur or not occur.

And none of those reasons should keep us from praying anyway because that is what God has instructed us to do as a means of bringing our every thought captive to Him alone. That way the focus is always on God and what God has done and continues to do for us in our lives.

The prayers of others may comfort and console us, but they do not heal us. God alone is the only physician.

[1000 silverlings]

Or I could sing. That seems to drive a lot of people over the edge.

Aw it keeps them up nights plotting and analyzing with endless psycho babble, what else do they hav to do.. John Denver hated Toledo so much he wrote a song about it.

[Petronski]

Not even in the slightest. We say "Thank you, God, for healing us." And we say "thank you" to our friends for their caring concern.

You don't thank those who pray for you? No class.

[Petronski]

Do you believe God alters His plan for your life because you have 12 friends praying for you rather than six?

Yes. The Living God is not the cold-hearted god created by Jean Cauvin in his own image.

[trisham]

From The Holy See:

4. From the moment of Mary’s consent, the mystery of the Incarnation becomes a reality. The Son of God enters our world and begins to live as a man, while remaining fully God. From that moment Mary becomes the Mother of God.

This is the highest title that can be given to a creature. It is totally justified in Mary’s case, because a mother is mother of the person of her son in the complete fullness of his humanity. Mary is the "Mother of God" inasmuch as she is the Mother of the "Son of God’, even if this motherhood is defined in the context of the mystery of the Incarnation.

For more, see here: http://www.vatican.va/jubilee_2000/magazine/documents/ju_mag_01101998_p-28_en.html

[Petronski]

Even after a person has died the RCC believes the number of prayers received on another person's behalf changes their status before God.

God is not bound by our sense of time. He is a merciful God, not the cold-hearted god created by Jean Cauvin in his own image.

[Petronski]

Every bit of that being a works-based salvation which is denied in Scripture over and over and over.

The quoted statement is wrong on multiple levels.

[Petronski]

God understands what we need before we even ask. God hears all prayers, but He knows our prayers before we say them. He knows what we require before we ask. He knows what will become of us even as we pray for something to occur or not occur.

True. Very good.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

She's the mother of God, but not a Goddess.

She's co-equal with Christ, but not a Goddess.

She's the Queen of Heaven, but not a Goddess.

She is equally responsible for your salvation, but not a Goddess.

All the denials are like Hillary refusing to leave.

LOL. And equally dead-ended.

I recommend "The Cult of Mary: Psychological Origins" by Michael P. Carroll which details how the RCC concept of Mary is grounded in the pagan worship of the goddesses Isis and Cybele.

It is remarkably identical.

Catholics can read and even speak the word "co-redeemer" and yet still feign ignorance of the treacherous blapshemy being spoken. The darkness is very provocative, like your tag says, 1000S.

[Petronski]

And none of those reasons should keep us from praying anyway because that is what God has instructed us to do as a means of bringing our every thought captive to Him alone. That way the focus is always on God and what God has done and continues to do for us in our lives. The prayers of others may comfort and console us, but they do not heal us. God alone is the only physician.

You have not differed with Catholicism at all here. Good job!

[Petronski]

I recommend "The Cult of Mary: Psychological Origins" by Michael P. Carroll which details how the RCC concept of Mary is grounded in the pagan worship of the goddesses Isis and Cybele.

If that is what the author says, then he is a Catholic-hating liar.

[Petronski]

Catholics can read and even speak the word "co-redeemer" and yet still feign ignorance of the treacherous blapshemy being spoken.

Why feign ignorance at what is not true?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

You don't thank those who pray for you? No class.

I can only assume you cannot read. I said I thank all those who pray for me for their caring concern.

Do the prayers of others heal you, Petronski? Or does God heal you?

[Petronski]

The darkness is very provocative...

Calvinism isn't all that provocative...you greatly overstate it.