The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[Quix]

I can only take responsibility for those things God gives me responsibility for.

Perhaps HE could be of help on the comprehension issue.

One of my Taipei friends often had to translate my English—in English—to other Americans. LOL.

[tiki]

Do you think evil has a conscience? Can it feel shame?

[Marysecretary]

I bow to the Lord during worship almost every Sunday. This week the worship was so anointed that two women lay prostrate on the floor of the church and one was kneeling. In our church, it’s common when the Spirit of the Lord comes upon us, especially during worship. It’s quite beautiful.

[Petronski]

You don't see it so it's just not true?

LOL

[Quix]

I’m certainly no linguistic expert.

However, I find the assertion most illogical.

The translators of a list of translations have their scholarly reasons for saying brothers vs cousins, uncles, etc.

Sibling relationships are rather basic. I know of no language currently which cannot indicate, refer to a sibling when that is intended, needed.

I leave it to better scholars than I to explain more fully on that score.

But the RC perspective is just laughable, to me. Sounds like another exercise in mental gymnastics to contort simple language about basic simple relationships all out of whack.

God was not that poor an author—whatever the language.

[tiki]

There’s always another one who just KNOWS everything.

[Quix]

INDEED,

HE IS OUR ALL IN ALL

or He isn’t.

I pity those for whom He is not.

[Marysecretary]

Ah, they’ll always find a way to bend the rules, but let someone else try and they run screaming to the mods.

[Quix]

Thanks for your meaningful contribution to the thread.

A LOT more folks will bother reading your text

IF

you will put white space between paragraphs approximately every 5-12 lines. Better every 5-7 at logical breaks in topic.

Blessings,

[Uri’el-2012]

But the New Testament is not part of the Septuagint, nor were St. Elizabeth and the Blessed Virgin brothers.

How about GSN-431

Num 36:11; Tob 7:2, Tbs 9:6 or Col 4:10

[netmilsmom]

>> I know of no language currently which cannot indicate, refer to a sibling when that is intended, needed.<<

And we’ve not talking about a current language are we? So, therefore, if everything is in the scriptures, where does it say “Blood Brothers”?

[Quix]

It’s been a long time since I read any scholarly discourse on the issue.

I’m satisfied in my own heart, spirit and mind from my own reading of Scripture as well as those scholarly inputs years ago.

Others are welcome to offer scholarly proofs for some RC’s to dance around and desperately rationalize away if they wish. Not my priority.

Thanks for your bother, however.

[Mad Dawg]

Try this

I’ll say it again: IF the RCC doesn’t encourage polytheism,WHY spend so much energy developing and defending extra-Biblical doctrines like the Trinity? Is Jesus not enough? Claiming some kind of obscene divine begetting; claiming procession, double or single, of something called the Holy Spirit - why? Christ and Him crucified - it’s enough! (... &C. ....)

It's not that good an exercise, I guess. But the point is that we see in Mary the fulfillment of what Christ does for us AND as we have loving, wise, and holy friends whom we consult on earth and do not think talking to them takes away from talking to God, so we papists find in Mary such a friend in heaven. As in the Trinity, what we say of Mary answers somewhat to what we read in Scripture (though admittedly not that much &*212; but than I think the Arians and Eutycheans had a decent case - not a slam dunk to disagree with them) but also to our thinking about what we read and to our religious experience.

The time spent mostly is spent dealing with arguments raised by people who think we're wrong. It's kind of a rear-guard action, from our POV. The real battle is elsewhere, but we keep on being attacked on this front, so we respond.

[Quix]

Yes.

That aspect of the good priest’s operation in such matters causes a leap in my spirit.

Anything to bring families together around and closer to God in their daily lives and relationships is extremely important. A very very high priority imho.

I’m thrilled with your example.

[Marysecretary]

Our pastor gives a reading schedule every year. He’s very, um, forceful in encouraging us to read the Bible through in one year. My husband does it every year. Before I get up in the morning, he’s on the couch reading the scriptures out loud. You can also buy a Bible that has daily readings that will get you through in a year. It’s called the One Year Bible.

[Mad Dawg]

Yeah, you sound reasonable (not).

If you have a point which can be made without a personal attack, it might be best to try to make it without a personal attack.

[netmilsmom]

No need for scholarly discourse, a simple Google search. Philo said there is no word, give the word or what he says remains fact.

And at least, show where “Blood Brother” is used because whether it is my sister (stepsister) or my nephew’s brother (half brother) we use the simplistic form.

If Our Lord wanted “Blood Brother” to be evident, it would be there. Where is it?

>>So if you disagree Quix, can you give the Koine word for “Blood Brother”?

If one cannot, then one is disagreeing with fact. That borders on delusional.<<

[Quix]

Thanks. I knew someone could do much better than I on that score.

However, I assume you are NOT UNDERestimating the capacity of a number of RC’s to argue with a fence post; employ daffynitions and otherwise shuck and jive; slip and slide; run and hide in running from the truth.

[Marysecretary]

None of us here worships the Bible. We read it! Try it sometime.