Posted on 05/28/2008 10:23:47 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
LMAO! This is too funny this early in the morning, and Blue Moose is not helping, lol, I can only presume that the answer must be the latter.
Hey if you're going to believe something, you might as well take some pride in defending it.
You don't GET it! They don't answer because it just isn't any of your damn business!
Mere gentiles are NOT allowed to question the real, true gospel handed down by the wondrous prophet, Joseph Smith.
As I understand it, Jesus became a man.
He was born, lived, suffered pain, and died.
Immortal Gods don't die. Mortal men do.
If Christ was never a mortal (man), then the whole birth, life, crucifixion, death story is a hoax. (Was He just "pretending" to die, or did He really die?)
If Christ was at some point a (mortal) man, then He had to become (change [back] into) God (again).
When indeed did Christ make the transformation from mortal to immortal (man to God)?
You tell me.
I've never met a Mormon missionary who denied it. They try to talk their way around it, but admit it is a teaching of Mormonism when pressed for an answer.
“This is hilarious, you asked several Mormons the same question and I’m breathlessly waiting for the answer that never comes, lol! Now I’m really curious, why do they have such a problem answering this question?”
The simple reason is that Sevenbak, Restornu and the other
mormons in this thread must NOT want you to know what the
cult of mormonism actually teaches about Christ.
Once you know, you will know the truth, mormonism is not
Christianity. They believe Jesus was a “spirit being”, who
came into existence and then became a god. NOT God, who
always existed from eternity to eternity.
The ONLY thing mormonism has in common with Christianity
is the use of the name Christ - and they mean an entirely
different Christ than Christians mean.
So what does this mean for their claims to “believe in
Jesus as Savior”?
Only God knows whether some mormons actually believe the
real gospel and the real Jesus Christ. The rest have been
inoculated against the truth.
If they gave a straight answer, you would know. Of course,
we all know anyway. It is simply, a cult, with a perverted
teaching.
ampu
Please do not use potty language on the Religion Forum.
The true picture of the Mormon Jesus is that he is as much of a "saved being" as any man or woman he saves! The Mormon Jesus is but a mere creature like dear ole Dad:
"Christ is a saved being” (McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p 257) “Modern revelation speaks of our Lord as he that ‘ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth ‘ (D&C 88:6). Christ's rise to the throne of exaltation was preceded by his descent below all things. Only by submitting to the powers of demons and death and hell could he, in the resurrection, serve as our exemplar of a saved being, one who had placed all things beneath his feet. ‘I am Alpha and Omega,’ he said, ‘Christ the Lord; yea, even I am he, the beginning and the end, the Redeemer of the world. I, having accomplished and finished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning me—having done this that I might subdue all things unto myself—retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the world, and the last great day of judgment.’ (D&C 19:1-2.)” (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 234)
(Please also see McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p. 238 where he said Jesus "Needs salvation"...”Came to earth to work out His own salvation”)
And the Mormon Christ is one savior among many:
"...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..." (Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).
Compare that to the Bible, where "saviors of the world" are in no way multiple. Jesus is it (1 John 4:14; John 4:42).
Notice this further "we've-been-like-Jesus-from-all-eternity" teaching that was still being actively taught in LDS study guides 25 years ago:
"The Prophet Joseph Smith taught, 'At the first organization in heaven we were all present, and saw the Savior chosen and appointed and the plan of salvation made, and we sanctioned it.'" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 181)
OOPS! Sorry, I didn’t realize that qualified.
I read post #62.
So I don’t make the same mistake, what word was the term “potty mouth” applied to.
I am getting so very confused by all these rules and regs.
How Clintonesque.
What? P-Marlowe did you miss all those pre-existent spirit meetings? Just go back & check your pre-existent dayplanner! There you'll find eternity daily journal entries for:
There were many meetings, conferences, councils and schooling sessions held among the Gods and their spirit offspring in pre-existence. (LDS apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 163)
[Did you flunk out those pre-existent "schooling sessions," P-Marlowe?)
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
10-4
The biggest sign that I have ever scene that Mormonism is a phony religion is shown here on this thread: They simply refuse to discuss basic issues. They take basic, simple questions like yours and make them complex. It is not clear to me if they know that is what they are doing, or if it is just the way they were trained. If you post simple questions like yours to members of any other religion on FR, you will get simple, straightforward answers, without endless spamming.
Is a statement of fact now personal?
Brilliant point.
Right, I don't see Mormons as Christian, they're Mormon, so if they have the truth, why not be proud of being called 'Mormon'? Why the need to be called Christian? Why why not call themselves 'New' Christians or 'Restored' Christians seeing that their doctrine is totally different than that of the mainstream Christian.
I even think it would sell better under those names and not cause the same degree of rancor that it causes when they try to co-opt the term Christian knowing that most of the world views Christianity as a totally different doctrine from the one they subscribe to.
I’m with you, Sentinel. The word “clintonesque” connotes a certain kind of “avoidance of the question.”
It is clear to many of us here, that the defenders of Mormonism are avoiding a question.
Sevenbak’s post #10 makes complete sense given that they do not believe in the Trinity.
I am convinced that Mormon attackers insinuate that Mormons do not believe that Mary was a virgin as a means to be deliberately shocking, and in a deliberate, premeditated, and malicious attempt to discredit Mormons.
No, I am **not** Mormon, but I think as much of Mormon bashers as I do of Catholic bashers. ( Not Catholic, either.)
Personally, I would **LOVE** to see thousands of more practicing Mormons and Catholics who had a testimony of their religion and practiced **all** of it to the very best they were able. Can you imagine how much better off our nation would be? Families would be stronger. Children would be healthier and happier. Crime would drop. And...Our nation's security and prosperity would soar.
By the way, Sevenbak in post #10 posted the beliefs of Mormon leaders. Quoting what you have heard ( likely deliberately misunderstood) from 19 year old missionaries is like asking Miss Honeyface, 6th grade Baptist school teacher, about Baptist eschatology.
“The Prophet Joseph Smith taught, ‘At the first organization in heaven we were all present, and saw the Savior chosen and appointed and the plan of salvation made, and we sanctioned it.’” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 181)
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What blasphemy
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