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To: P-Marlowe
was Jesus Christ God from all eternity, or did he become a God at some point in time?

As I understand it, Jesus became a man.

He was born, lived, suffered pain, and died.

Immortal Gods don't die. Mortal men do.

If Christ was never a mortal (man), then the whole birth, life, crucifixion, death story is a hoax. (Was He just "pretending" to die, or did He really die?)

If Christ was at some point a (mortal) man, then He had to become (change [back] into) God (again).

When indeed did Christ make the transformation from mortal to immortal (man to God)?

You tell me.

63 posted on 05/29/2008 6:52:57 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Jess Kitting
Just for fun, let's address your misdirection post:

As I understand it, Jesus became a man. Jesus IS God, as shown in John 1 and following. God, the God Who Created all things through The Son and For The Son became a man inside the created universe. I realize that is a hard truth to accept for a mormon who believes Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers, but there it is, and it stands as the first leg of your mischaracterization we have now removed from your support. The God of Creation is not so inferior that He would be a spirit brother to Satan, a created being in the spirit realm. Your confusion is orchestrated, as we see with the following obfuscations from your post.

He was born, lived, suffered pain, and died. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not by union of a sperm and a Mary egg. Do you actually deny that God feels the suffering of His people? Do you actually want to deny that God has dominion to come and go in His creation as He sees fit? That is precisely what you are trying to assert in this oblique manner of yours, your mormon methodology.

Immortal Gods don't die. Mortal men do. Is Jesus alive right now and forever more? God as the man Jesus DID die, He died in your place! Do you really have so little comprehension of what Salvation in Christ is that you would assert God in Christ did not die for you and for me? ... We are cutting the struts from under your demonic throne, one by one.

If Christ was never a mortal (man), then the whole birth, life, crucifixion, death story is a hoax. (Was He just "pretending" to die, or did He really die?) If He did not die and rise again then mormonism has nothing upon which to base their heretical claims. Do you really want to go there, in service to the father of lies? The Gospel of the Grace of God in Christ IS the conception, birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus The Christ. Do you wish to deny that? You must not be even a mormon to make such a blasphemous ploy at denying the Deity of Christ.

If Christ was at some point a (mortal) man, then He had to become (change [back] into) God (again). Now that is quite revealing of an agenda ... you would like to hide the fact that you are trying to deny Jesus IS God by insinuating that He, God, could not become a man inside His creation!

When indeed did Christ make the transformation from mortal to immortal (man to God)? You must assume that which you have tried to prove in order to pose that question! God in Christ is the second phase of His manifesting Himself in spacetime, for He was with God and was God before the universe was even created, as taught in John 1. You ask for an answer to a question for which you have assumed a flawed premise … God is able to be God, be a man--Jesus Christ--and remain God. Does the universe stop existing when a new star is formed? Did the universe of our spacetime have a beginning? Whom was before the universe began to exist? If you do not believe in God or that He created all things through Christ, then we can now ignore any further queries from the peanut gallery. Are you a Mormon ... or just an agitprop?

81 posted on 05/29/2008 7:39:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Jess Kitting; P-Marlowe
As I understand it, Jesus became a man. He was born, lived, suffered pain, and died. Immortal Gods don't die. Mortal men do.

And Jesus showed that the immortal-mortal God-man can die.

When the early church fathers & theologians identify Jesus as a God-man, why would this integrated personality be so surprising? When Jesus called Himself "the son of man" and New Testament authorities simultaneously note His "Son of God" status, why is this surprising?

If Christ was never a mortal (man), then the whole birth, life, crucifixion, death story is a hoax. (Was He just "pretending" to die, or did He really die?)

And who has made the claim that the immortal did not merge mortality in within Himself? The fact that the immortal has defeated mortality by taking mortality shows me immorality. (Say that 100 times very fast :) )

If Christ was at some point a (mortal) man, then He had to become (change [back] into) God (again).

No, not necessarily. He is the everlasting God-man. (Surely you concede that even when mere mortal men of God die, that they don't yet live?)

When indeed did Christ make the transformation from mortal to immortal (man to God)? You tell me.

His very conception answers this question. He is the son of mankind...Mary the mortal. Yet, simultaneously, the diapered One was the Son of God as the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary.

Jesus was the first ever--and the only God-man. He is an everlasting God-man. He has not stripped off his manhood. He is still the everlasting God-man.

This is not a unique perspective. This is common Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox doctrine based upon the Holy Scriptures.

143 posted on 05/29/2008 12:37:04 PM PDT by Colofornian (As the fLDS is now, the LDS once was. As the fLDS is now, the LDS will become)
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