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Do Protestants consider Catholics to be Christians? [open]
5/16/08 | me

Posted on 05/16/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom

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>>I think the RCC doctrines are a product of the enemy<<

Please tell us where we stand here. Examples welcome, but I'm not sure that actual names can be used when quoting another FReeper, so date and thread title may be better.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
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To: OLD REGGIE

And the facts support what I stated. If God is one, and he is (Trinity is a communion of Persons), and Christ is one Divine Person, and he is, with a Divine and human nature, and he founded a Church, and he did (c.f. Mt 16:18), and the Church is his Body (c.f. 1 Cor 12: 12-13)and Bride (c.f. Eph 5:26-27), and is one (c.f. 1 Cor 10:13) and is the “pillar and foundation of Truth” (c.f. 1 Tim 3:15), then how can thousands of competing Groups be God’s will, when it distorts the very nature of God, who is perfect communion of Love (Most Holy Trinity). Furthermore, Christ himself prayed that his Apostles and followers would “all be one” (c.f. John 17:20).

Also, I was responding to the statement by another poster who said the Catholic Church was causing confusion. I didn’t start the polemic, another poster did. For the record, I have never started polemics, only responded to them.

Finally Old Reggie, while you have stated you are a Unitarian now, I hypothesized that you may be an “ex Catholic” as evidenced by your description of one of my previous post being “Jesuitical”. Like I stated, that is usually a term used in inner-Catholic circles, as some people were educated by Domenicans (as I was), some by Redemptorist (as my Wife was), some by Franciscans, some by Jesuits, etc.

I still believe my theory is correct and if it is, God Bless you and I hope you return to the fullness of Communion with the Trinity and Christ’s “One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church”.

Cheers


981 posted on 05/19/2008 3:17:25 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I never heard this guy mention the synagogue, and he said the phrase a milion times, lol

http://www.amazon.com/Be-Not-Afraid-Inspiring-Humanity/dp/0312070217

982 posted on 05/19/2008 3:22:59 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: FourtySeven; netmilsmom; Dr. Eckleburg
I don't know what you mean by this, especially the portion in bold. Please elaborate if you so desire.

You chose sides. No objectivity.
983 posted on 05/19/2008 3:25:00 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I see where you did in fact disclose that you were a former Catholic, just as I hypothesized a week or so ago.

Well, I appreciate you being honest as at least now I know from what framework your posts are coming from, even though I totally disagree with most of them.

Cheers


984 posted on 05/19/2008 3:27:26 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Are you "required to believe" Psalm 82, verse 6?

That's the metaphor to which Aquinas is referring, you know, not any nonsense propagated by the likes of Joseph Smith.

If the Israelites were "gods" (literally, elohim, gods, judges, holy ones, saints) by virtue of receiving the Law through the mediation of angels, how much more are Christians exalted by receiving the sacred humanity and divinity of Christ through the mediation of the High Priest himself?

2 Peter 1:4 says that we are partakers in the divine nature. I've never heard a Calvinist sermon on that verse. Have you?

985 posted on 05/19/2008 3:32:58 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
"They are foul words, indeed."

I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.
Psalm 82 verse 6

986 posted on 05/19/2008 3:37:59 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Campion; Dr. Eckleburg
Those verses are addressed to Israel's judges not to Israel, especially to those who were corrupt. They had the power of acting like gods over the people.
987 posted on 05/19/2008 3:39:32 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: CTrent1564; XeniaSt
It would perhaps be more forthcoming if you stated in the very beginning that you are a professional Catholic Apologist without one ounce of objectivity.

The following statement is rediculous, impossible, and untrue. It would not be made by one who has any interest whatsoever in honest dialogue.

"I think it is more that it is amazing the confusion that has been caused by the thousands of quarelling Protestant groups, none of which, Doctrinally and Theologically agree on anything."

I ran away from such hate filled beliefs. I put my trust in God and God alone.

Quote all the Church Fathers you wish. Quote the various Apologetics. Quote anything you wish. You are still basing all your beliefs on men.

In the final analysis I wish you would simply admit right up front you have no objectivity whatsoever.

988 posted on 05/19/2008 3:40:27 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
They had the power of acting like gods over the people.

So you're saying one can be called "gods" without being made God? In other words, it was a metaphor?

Perhaps this liberal approach should be taken with Aquinas too. Or would that run too great a risk of destroying the bludgeon some would make of CCC460?

989 posted on 05/19/2008 3:46:21 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: CTrent1564

Are you being paid for Catholic Apologetics?


990 posted on 05/19/2008 3:47:24 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Campion; Dr. Eckleburg
Partaker

Koinonos

Definition

a partner, associate, comrade, companion

a partner, sharer, in anything

of the altar in Jerusalem on which the sacrifices are offered

sharing in the worship of the Jews

991 posted on 05/19/2008 3:48:20 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE; 1000 silverlings; Marysecretary; Petronski
The RCC catechism is over 900 pages.

My King James Bible is 719 pages.

Lol. Shows priorities.

John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion is 1310 pages. How's that for priorities?

992 posted on 05/19/2008 3:53:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It’s probably full of logic and common sense too!


993 posted on 05/19/2008 3:56:31 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Judges were appointed in ancient Israel and we know this to be true from such an example as 1 Samuel 8:1-3. Appointed, rather than annointed, but still they were endowed with a power that the common Israelite was not. The Psalm has nothing to do with ordinary believers becoming or likened in any way to God. In fact, reading the verse that was cherry-picked, in context, clearly tells that men are unreliable, and only God can judge fairly.


994 posted on 05/19/2008 4:01:57 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Could you link me to the post when you admitted you had no objectivity whatsoever?


995 posted on 05/19/2008 4:05:36 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: CTrent1564

It’s such a pity that you are a wealth of knowledge and people are ignoring your posts


996 posted on 05/19/2008 4:05:50 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: netmilsmom

Can Catholics be Christian? Hell, I’m still trying to figure out when they became Republican.


997 posted on 05/19/2008 4:06:51 PM PDT by Recall
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To: OLD REGGIE

>>The average human is not capable of interpreting Scripture. So................<<

I’m not. Basically, I’ll admit to being pretty simple.


998 posted on 05/19/2008 4:07:09 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: netmilsmom

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Better to muddy the waters, confuse the issue, avoid addressing that Calvin agrees with the “foul words” of Aquinas, just play word games or shell games and mock Catholicism for too much erudition.


999 posted on 05/19/2008 4:13:04 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: OLD REGGIE

All the footnotes are there.

Click this link...
http://www.scborromeo.org/index2.htm


1,000 posted on 05/19/2008 4:13:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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