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To: SoothingDave
In the first excrerpt, Mary is praying to her Son to deliver our souls. She has no power of her own.

Prove from the New Testament that the power to intercede for sinners was granted to Mary rather than Christ alone. Prove also anywhere within the OLD or NEW testaments where God ever said the Mother of the Messiah would be without sin.

IF you can't do that, do not say I need Christ, because I am not following extra-biblical teaching - you are. Pretty bold of you to follow a blasphemous doctrine about Mary and then claim "I" am the one who needs Christ. LOL.

1,235 posted on 05/06/2008 5:40:50 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
...claim "I" am the one who needs Christ.

We all need Christ.

1,239 posted on 05/06/2008 5:44:49 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: conservativegramma
Prove from the New Testament that the power to intercede for sinners was granted to Mary rather than Christ alone. Prove also anywhere within the OLD or NEW testaments where God ever said the Mother of the Messiah would be without sin.

Do you ever pray for others? That is intercession. There is no reason to believe the Mother of Jesus has less ability to intercede than you do.

And Luke clearly says Mary is full of grace. You don't buy the implications of what this means, but that is due to you following a biased interpreter of the original Greek.

(I do, too but I admit my bias.)

IF you can't do that, do not say I need Christ, because I am not following extra-biblical teaching - you are. Pretty bold of you to follow a blasphemous doctrine about Mary and then claim "I" am the one who needs Christ

I didn't say you needed Christ. I think you mis-read me. I meant someone at some point helped you find Christ. Not that you needed someone now to help you. My point was not personal, but rather that everyone has someone who helps them to find salvation.

That is participation in the work of the Savior.

1,241 posted on 05/06/2008 5:50:06 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: conservativegramma
In the first excrerpt, Mary is praying to her Son to deliver our souls. She has no power of her own.

Mary has no influence on Jesus to deliver souls, pizza, or a big screen tv (I'm not certain on the pizza and tv)...

Salvation is a personal decision...We have assurance and confidence that God doesn't need Mary's help and that God will finish what He started...

Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

1,311 posted on 05/06/2008 9:37:37 PM PDT by Iscool
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