Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer
I've said twice that I agree it is not a hate site.
But it IS filled with hate.
Wow. The Lord's own words is not truth now because it contradicts the RCC. Guess the only scripture you care about is papal decrees (the words of men). Guess this explains why the RCC didn't even want you reading the Bible until about 1960. Thanks for making a great case FOR sola scriptura.
You said that, not I.
Absolutely false.
Um, no. I quoted Scripture, I gave you the Greek text even and its definition. You came back with, "You don't speak truth". So sorry but you attacked the Word of God, deal with it. Unless you think "I" am the author of the Bible?!?!?
In terms of salvation, what role do you think the Bible plays?
And it makes the cross insufficent in direct contradiction to your above statement when you seek to add sacraments, and ordinances, and decrees, etc. etc. to salvation.
Which "above statement", please?
Looks like I need to dig up the historical sources during the Reformation whereby the Roman Catholic church burned protestants for merely possessing a Bible........
Yes—absolutely false and such a statement should be refuted.
Thayer's has:
G3106 μακαρίζω
makarizō
mak-ar-id'-zo
From G3107; to beatify, that is, pronounce (or esteem) fortunate: - call blessed, count happy.
Compare that to your false claim: "It means happy. That's it...."
That’s Strong, not Thayer.
It is the Bible which tells us the HOW.....unless you were there 2,000 years ago in person you need something that instructs you.
Which "above statement", please?
Sigh. You know very well 'which' statement, I quoted you at the top of my last post to you. Your statement affirming the SUFFICIENCY of the cross. Go back and look at it again.
Go for it. A metric ton of such references would not establish your claim that the Catholic Church did not want Catholics reading the bible until about 1960 or so.
When you do, be sure to note if translation was an issue.
Please do not tell me what I know (unless you are SURE you're right, and even then ...). I didn't understand your sentence about sacraments and such. Since there is so much assuming going on, I thought it would be better to be sure I understood what you were saying.
It is the Bible which tells us the HOW.....unless you were there 2,000 years ago in person you need something that instructs you.
I don't see how that is different from "the Cross plus".
I concede I may have to look up Thayer's. But since Thayer's adds a meaning that neither Strong's or other Greek word studies include make it somewhat suspect as to reliability in my opinion. I have a suspicion it is probably a Catholic word study with additions to seek to support Maryology. So who is 'false' here is a matter of opinion. But I will look it up. In spite of this; however, your definition states:
From G3107; to beatify, that is, pronounce (or esteem) fortunate: - call blessed, count happy,
Even Thayer's definition does not mean to make a Co-Savior, or to make 'Queen of all things' or to 'make intercession' as your cathechism states. In addition, even Thayer's does include the term 'happy' as I said, so I was not wrong in my statement (and Strong's) that it means happy. And it is translated 'happy' in James 5:11 in the KJV. Makarizo is not translated beatify, or pronounced fortunate in James 5:11 in any version - why?
Sorry, but Scripture says different. There is NO indication in the Bible that the grant of the keys was to anyone other than Peter. The "power to bind and loose" WAS given (later) to the other Apostles, and the Church has always taught that that authority continues in the authority of the Pope, and to a more limited extent, to bishops and priests.
It still doesn't change the fact that this passage definition of 'pronounce favorable' is still a far cry from Catholic exaltation of Mary to 'co-unity with Christ' and 'Queen of all things' to be a major stretch and horrible exegesis.
Hello yourself.
Mary's relationship with God need only have been established at some point prior to her conception.
Yes. But God knew Mary when she was first created, so then would have been a good time.
Furthermore, as Christians, we all house the third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit.
Yes. Or rather, yes! We gain this through our baptism, which wipes away our Original Sin. There was no sacramental baptism when Mary was born, so she had to be "wiped clean" in some other way.
God can take what is unworthy ... and make it worthy.
Again, yes! Exactly our point. God can do this for us, He could do it for Mary.
I agree - and am glad to see you said that with a :-) After all, the classic joke about the Aggie scientist (I live in Texas) gets at the crux of the biscuit:
An Aggie scientist who does not believe in God thinks he has figured out to create life. He declares his wisdom to God, Wh0 - surprisingly - responds, “Show me how you did it.” The Aggie says, “It’s simple. First you grab a handful of dirt, ...” The Lord of creation stopped him short - “Wait a minute - make your own dirt.”
The theologians tell us God created “out of nothing” the Earth, et al. Man only discovers and organizes what God has created.
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