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Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer

Scripture, our Evangelical friends tell us, is the inerrant Word of God. Quite right, the Catholic replies; but how do you know this to be true?


It's not an easy question for Protestants, because, having jettisoned Tradition and the Church, they have no objective authority for the claims they make for Scripture. There is no list of canonical books anywhere in the Bible, nor does any book (with the exception of St. John's Apocalypse) claim to be inspired. So, how does a "Bible Christian" know the Bible is the Word of God?


If he wants to avoid a train of thought that will lead him into the Catholic Church, he has just one way of responding: With circular arguments pointing to himself (or Luther or the Jimmy Swaggart Ministries or some other party not mentioned in the Bible) as an infallible authority telling him that it is so. Such arguments would have perplexed a first or second century Christian, most of whom never saw a Bible.


Christ founded a teaching Church. So far as we know, he himself never wrote a word (except on sand). Nor did he commission the Apostles to write anything. In due course, some Apostles (and non-Apostles) composed the twenty-seven books which comprise the New Testament. Most of these documents are ad hoc; they are addressed to specific problems that arose in the early Church, and none claim to present the whole of Christian revelation. It's doubtful that St. Paul even suspected that his short letter to Philemon begging pardon for a renegade slave would some day be read as Holy Scripture.


Who, then, decided that it was Scripture? The Catholic Church. And it took several centuries to do so. It was not until the Council of Carthage (397) and a subsequent decree by Pope Innocent I that Christendom had a fixed New Testament canon. Prior to that date, scores of spurious gospels and "apostolic" writings were floating around the Mediterranean basin: the Gospel of Thomas, the "Shepherd" of Hermas, St. Paul's Letter to the Laodiceans, and so forth. Moreover, some texts later judged to be inspired, such as the Letter to the Hebrews, were controverted. It was the Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit, which separated the wheat from the chaff.


But, according to Protestants, the Catholic Church was corrupt and idolatrous by the fourth century and so had lost whatever authority it originally had. On what basis, then, do they accept the canon of the New Testament? Luther and Calvin were both fuzzy on the subject. Luther dropped seven books from the Old Testament, the so-called Apocrypha in the Protestant Bible; his pretext for doing so was that orthodox Jews had done it at the synod of Jamnia around 100 A. D.; but that synod was explicitly anti-Christian, and so its decisions about Scripture make an odd benchmark for Christians.


Luther's real motive was to get rid of Second Maccabees, which teaches the doctrine of Purgatory. He also wanted to drop the Letter of James, which he called "an epistle of straw," because it flatly contradicts the idea of salvation by "faith alone" apart from good works. He was restrained by more cautious Reformers. Instead, he mistranslated numerous New Testament passages, most notoriously Romans 3:28, to buttress his polemical position.


The Protestant teaching that the Bible is the sole spiritual authority--sola scriptura --is nowhere to be found in the Bible. St. Paul wrote to Timothy that Scripture is "useful" (which is an understatemtn), but neither he nor anyone else in the early Church taught sola scriptura. And, in fact, nobody believed it until the Reformation. Newman called the idea that God would let fifteen hundred years pass before revealing that the bible was the sole teaching authority for Christians an "intolerable paradox."


Newman also wrote: "It is antecedently unreasonable to Bsuppose that a book so complex, so unsystematic, in parts so obscure, the outcome of so many minds, times, and places, should be given us from above without the safeguard of some authority; as if it could possibly, from the nature of the case, interpret itself...." And, indeed, once they had set aside the teaching authority of the Church, the Reformers began to argue about key Scriptural passages. Luther and Zwingli, for example, disagreed vehemently about what Christ meant by the words, "This is my Body."


St. Augustine, usually Luther's guide and mentor, ought to have the last word about sola scriptura: "But for the authority of the Church, I would not believe the Gospel."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ecumenism; Theology
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To: 1000 silverlings
The subject of the thread is Protestants and Sola Scriptura, please do not make personal attacks, thank you

BASE and FALSE ACCUSATIONS fool no one whose eyes

have been opened to

TRUTH

In spite of the many vicious lies being told about me on this thread I remain undiscouraged, thanks to the consolation of Blessed Mary, Ever-Virgin, Co-Redemptrix, and her Son, Jesus Christ my Savior.

2,041 posted on 05/10/2008 1:41:26 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Sorry, but your recent posts have brought nothing to the discussion at hand, even though I have provided plenty of Sola Scriptura for everyone to comment upon. I have waited in vain for a serious discussion to commence. Instead we have insults and immature sniping

It must be plain to all by now just who are disruptors and who are serious students of theology.

2,042 posted on 05/10/2008 1:45:37 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Petronski
Did I claim you had?

It is implied. How is a post to another personal upon you?

2,043 posted on 05/10/2008 1:46:34 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
How is a post to another personal upon you?

Did I claim it was personal upon me?

2,044 posted on 05/10/2008 1:48:00 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
It must be plain to all by now just who are disruptors and who are serious students of theology.

Indeed. Catholics win again!

2,045 posted on 05/10/2008 1:48:53 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Petronski
Did I claim it was personal upon me?

Alrighty then. How was my post "personal" at all?

2,046 posted on 05/10/2008 1:49:40 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

Did I claim it was personal?


2,047 posted on 05/10/2008 1:50:22 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: roamer_1

Can you see now the hazards of mind reading? No doubt that is why it is against the rules.


2,048 posted on 05/10/2008 1:51:12 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Petronski
Did I claim it was personal?

Yes. What other purpose for your post?

2,049 posted on 05/10/2008 1:52:35 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Instead we have insults and immature sniping

As opposed to what was going on, before?

2,050 posted on 05/10/2008 1:52:42 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Petronski
Can you see now the hazards of mind reading?

In what possible way was I "mind reading"?

2,051 posted on 05/10/2008 1:54:33 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Yes.

You are putting words in my mouth.

The purpose of my post is exactly what I said in my post.

2,052 posted on 05/10/2008 1:54:36 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: roamer_1
In what possible way was I "mind reading"?

Falsely telling me the purpose of my post.

2,053 posted on 05/10/2008 1:55:14 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: roamer_1
How very Pharisaical of you.

2,003 posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:57:41 PM by roamer_1

Gee, that seems personal.

2,054 posted on 05/10/2008 1:57:50 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne; Petronski; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg

Unless you really want to discuss the scriptures, please refrain from posting little potshots at me, as I am not inerested in a flamewar with either one of you, thanks in advance.


2,055 posted on 05/10/2008 2:00:55 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Petronski
I will tell you again. This is not some kind of game, this is not fun or tweaking. You bear false witness against the cherished faith of a billion people

*********************

Protestantism and all other misguided religions created by man must never stop fighting to obscure the truth, lest their house of cards be seen for what it is, a false construction, a wrong turn on the path to salvation.

Imagine having one's entire spiritual life focused on denying that Christ Himself began the One True Church, and that all others are not the way He has chosen for us.

2,056 posted on 05/10/2008 2:08:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Satan is the father of lies.


2,057 posted on 05/10/2008 2:08:38 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Petronski

Note that our separated brethen, through the dark fog of heresy, find it impossible to discern what any child

of five years of age

Could tell them.

Yet they attack, blame, whine, cry, bleat like goats

WHENEVER

they see themselves in a mirror....

Sad, really. And yet, I bear no malice in my heart, but pray that they may be enligtened.

may Christ above absolve them, send them true disciples to teach them, and bring them to full fellowship with the saints.


2,058 posted on 05/10/2008 2:11:31 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne

Please stop your personal attacks, I am not interested in a flame war. I am happy to discuss Sola scriptura, I am not interested in what you perpetuate here. thanks again


2,059 posted on 05/10/2008 2:14:08 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Judith Anne
You said:

may Christ above absolve them, send them true disciples to teach them, and bring them to full fellowship with the saints.

AMEN!

2,060 posted on 05/10/2008 2:17:12 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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