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Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Petronski
What plank? Nice of you to post a defintion that is EXACTLY what I've been saying:

u·nit·ed (yū-nī'tĭd)
adj.
1. Combined into a single entity.

Now, what part of single entity can't you grasp?

1,141 posted on 05/06/2008 4:11:14 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma; Petronski
ALL of the Saints and others in Heaven are UNITED with Christ. What do you think, "This day you shall be with me in Paradise" means?

You like Petronski need a dictionary and look up the word united and what it means.

You need to realize that it is a matter of common courtesy to ping someone when you are going to refer to them by name.

1,142 posted on 05/06/2008 4:11:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Petronski
It does not.

That's a lie - YES IT DOES.

1,143 posted on 05/06/2008 4:12:19 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma

Amazing that you think Matthew 16:19 is non-biblical and mythical.

Mat 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.


1,144 posted on 05/06/2008 4:12:23 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: conservativegramma
affirming your belief that Mary is equal to Christ and therefore God herself This is just ridiculous and a truly false statement. It is promulgating an untruth.
1,145 posted on 05/06/2008 4:12:26 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Fichori
My understanding is that it implies he(the son who died) had gone to heaven.

I don't have a problem with that.

Children don't have the capacity for personal sin.

1,146 posted on 05/06/2008 4:12:26 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: conservativegramma

You do not get to determine what you believe, nor do you get to choose which definition of united we are using.


1,147 posted on 05/06/2008 4:13:13 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: conservativegramma
Correction of a very unfortunate typo:

You do not get to determine what we believe...

1,148 posted on 05/06/2008 4:14:35 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: conservativegramma

It does not.


1,149 posted on 05/06/2008 4:15:06 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: conservativegramma
You are demonstrating that you have no understanding of the sin nature.

And that's how I feel about you. Are we at an impasse?

Sin flows from within desiring, lusting, envy, rebellion. Its basically a focus upon selfish desires that flow from WITHIN. As we give in to these desires the outward actions follow.

Yes. As we give in. That is, as we choose what we know is wrong.

Of course our desires fuel our sins. But they are not the responsible party. Our will is. That's what Adam and Eve is all about. They chose to disobey. There's not even any mention about how good the forbidden fruit was, it's identity is basically irrelevant. What was important was the choice to disobey.

The outward actions are not in and of themselves 'sin', they are the manifestation of the inner condition of our hearts.

That's right, the outward actions are not the sin. It is our choice to give in to the inner desires in a selfish way. A capacity that children lack.

1,150 posted on 05/06/2008 4:16:56 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: wagglebee
Feed my sheep.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

Hey, there's a lot of popes there...

1,151 posted on 05/06/2008 4:17:17 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

If it was intellectual, Christ wouldn’t have chosen uneducated fisherman, but learned Pharisees.


1,152 posted on 05/06/2008 4:19:16 PM PDT by griffin
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To: Petronski

I have no time for playing coy. The families I spoke about are MY families and friends.


1,153 posted on 05/06/2008 4:21:12 PM PDT by griffin
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To: wagglebee
ALL of the Saints and others in Heaven are UNITED with Christ. What do you think, "This day you shall be with me in Paradise" means?

Oh plueeze. The exegetical gyrations you are putting yourself through are now absurd. Are you seriously now trying to claim that all saints are now co-Saviors????? LOL! I guess we save ourselves now eh? Hint: "This day you shall be with Me in Paradise" does not mean we become gods. It means what it says, that we will be with Christ, no more and no less. Its YOUR catechism that teaches united means oneness with Christ, "Queen of ALL" and Co-Savior, and INTERCESSOR.

You need to realize that it is a matter of common courtesy to ping someone when you are going to refer to them by name.

Why should I ping him when I had ALREADY written the very same thing TO HIM?

1,154 posted on 05/06/2008 4:21:19 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
Look at the CCC paragraph you posted: "This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death"

If united here means "combined with" it makes no sense. Is it alleged was she a goddess until Christ's death? Of course not; your suggestion produces a nonsensical result.

However, since united here means "harmonious mutual action, cooperation" it makes perfect sense. In reading CCC 964, it becomes abundantly clear that "combined with" is not what is meant by the text.

1,155 posted on 05/06/2008 4:22:05 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: griffin
The families I spoke about are MY families and friends.

But you used your retelling to ascribe bad behavior to catholic families generally. That is the essence of bigotry.

1,156 posted on 05/06/2008 4:23:32 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: conservativegramma
Thanks so much for affirming your belief that Mary is equal to Christ and therefore God herself. Yep - Goddess worship.

Do you think a human without sin is the same as God?

Do you realize that humanity and divinity are two entirely different "species"?

1,157 posted on 05/06/2008 4:24:51 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: wagglebee
What do you think, "This day you shall be with me in Paradise" means?

It means you will be with me...It does NOT mean, you will be me...

1,158 posted on 05/06/2008 4:25:00 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: conservativegramma
Its YOUR catechism that teaches united means oneness with Christ, "Queen of ALL" and Co-Savior, and INTERCESSOR.

No, that's you doing that.

1,159 posted on 05/06/2008 4:25:22 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: conservativegramma; Petronski
Oh plueeze. The exegetical gyrations you are putting yourself through are now absurd. Are you seriously now trying to claim that all saints are now co-Saviors?????

I'm not claiming that there is a "co-savior."

Why should I ping him when I had ALREADY written the very same thing TO HIM?

You used his name.

1,160 posted on 05/06/2008 4:25:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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