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Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer

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To: papertyger
"I have to admit though, I mistook the intent of your post. I don't think the verse quoted necessarily implies anything beyond David joining the child in death." [excerpt]

Sorry for not being clear.
1,081 posted on 05/06/2008 2:23:45 PM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: papertyger

“OMG! Bwahahahahahahaha! I haven’t heard such doctrinaire superciliousness since being treated to an oral dissertation on the virtues of the King James Bible by a drunken, toothless, redneck.
Bravo, sir. Bravo. “

Maybe you should have listened to that drunken, toothless, redneck, PT. The Lord might have work through him to bring you a gift of salvation. But as you say “I see”, your sin remains!


1,082 posted on 05/06/2008 2:25:43 PM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin
Bigotry!? You know what that means? My comments, as I said before, are personal observations. If the truth hurts, I’m sorry.

So if you said the same thing only used Black for Catholic and White for Protestant, it wouldn't be bigotry? Even if "true?"

1,083 posted on 05/06/2008 2:28:20 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: griffin
You made a comment about catholic families, not "catholic families you have observed."

It's interesting and telling to listen to the Sunday after service and dinner conversation in catholic and protestant families. I've been in both.

Yet you only have first-hand knowledge of families you have observed. You extrapolated the behavior of some members of the group to all members of the group. In other words, you offer a description of behavior you have observed as representative of the behavior of all. That is bigotry.

1,084 posted on 05/06/2008 2:31:23 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: griffin

You used quotations. Whom were you quoting?


1,085 posted on 05/06/2008 2:33:52 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Fichori; SoothingDave
It is my personal belief that those who die at a young age and have not had the opportunity to, or understanding of, accepting Christ, do indeed go to Heaven.

Whether it is of the Law, the Talmud, or Mishnah, I cannot recall, but I had satisfied myself of the concept some years ago, and I do agree with you.

"bar mitzvah" literally means "one to which the Commandments apply", or something close to that...

1,086 posted on 05/06/2008 2:33:54 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: griffin
Maybe you should have listened to that drunken, toothless, redneck, PT. The Lord might have work through him to bring you a gift of salvation. But as you say “I see”, your sin remains!

You don't know what you're talking about.

I LEFT twenty years of Bible-thumping Evangelical Fundamentalism because it never lived up to the promise of freedom from sin outlined in Romans 7.

God seems to have waited until I crossed the Tiber to make good on those promises.

1,087 posted on 05/06/2008 2:36:13 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: quadrant

I understand that, but possibly I was too vague.


1,088 posted on 05/06/2008 2:38:29 PM PDT by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: Petronski
[Now, does that exhibit an intent or not? Who can say?]

Scientists.

I don't know that to be true, and I don't know that I would believe them if they said it was so. Science is only useful when it is not speculative, a condition that is less frequent than it once was.

1,089 posted on 05/06/2008 2:39:30 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

Well, I’ll just add this and move on:

Cognition of right and wrong in infants is science fiction.


1,090 posted on 05/06/2008 2:40:59 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: papertyger
OMG! I just got this vision of you wearing a headset with the wire plugged into your wife's navel!

LOL! no, nothing like that, but he did have a preference for Southern-fried Country/Rock, which is evident to this very day.

1,091 posted on 05/06/2008 2:42:13 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

SCWEEEEET HOE MALA-BA-MA!


1,092 posted on 05/06/2008 2:47:11 PM PDT by papertyger (That's what the little winky-face was for.)
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To: papertyger
I LEFT twenty years of Bible-thumping Evangelical Fundamentalism because it never lived up to the promise of freedom from sin outlined in Romans 7.

God seems to have waited until I crossed the Tiber to make good on those promises

Since you think you can see Mary in Gen.3:15, it's hard to say what you may think you can see in Rom. 7...

In my experience talking to RCs, in my view, they don't have a clue what Rom. 7 is about...

1,093 posted on 05/06/2008 2:48:18 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: griffin
Do you bring your Bible to church?

I have two bibles: a ginormous KJV bound in red leather and an electronic Douay-Rheims/Vulgate/KJV/Darby/Elberfelder on my laptop. Neither lends itself to use in the pew. I am shopping for a personal size DR, but for now, I make due with the passages from the NAB printed in the missalette provided in the pews.

1,094 posted on 05/06/2008 2:51:49 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: SoothingDave
You are demonstrating that you have no understanding of the sin nature.

Here's an excellent definition: "". . . the structure of sin in the human personality is far more complicated than the isolated acts and thoughts of deliberate disobedience commonly designated in the world. In its biblical definition, sin cannot be limited to isolated instances or patterns of wrongdoing; it is something much more akin to the psychological term complex: an organic network of compulsive attitudes, beliefs, and behavior deeply rooted in alienation from God. Sin originated in the darkening of the human mind and heart as man turned from the truth about God to embrace a lie about him and consequently a whole universe of lies about his creation. Sinful thoughts, words and deeds flow forth from this darkened heart automatically and compulsively, as water from a polluted fountain." (Richard Lovelace, Dynamics of Spiritual Life, Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press, 1979, p. 89).

Sin flows from the heart (Matt. 12:35; 15:18; 15:19; Mark 3:5; 7:19; 7:21; Luke 6:45; Luke 8:12; 2 Cor. 2:4; 2 Cor. 4:6; I Tim. 1:5; 2 Tim. 2:22) it is more than just outward actions, although certainly outward actions are a part. But the outward actions occur because of the INWARD condition of our hearts and is why we need a new heart (Ezek. 18:31; Ezek. 36:26).

Look at Genesis 3:6a - When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate...

Note how James describes how sin is conceived in James 1:15 - Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

Also in James 4:2 - You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel.....

Sin flows from within desiring, lusting, envy, rebellion. Its basically a focus upon selfish desires that flow from WITHIN. As we give in to these desires the outward actions follow. The outward actions are not in and of themselves 'sin', they are the manifestation of the inner condition of our hearts. The same way that coughing and sneezing are the outward manifestions when you have a cold of the inner problem which happens to be a virus.

Once you understand the self-centered focus of sin in each and every one of us, then you can understand than a hours old infant can indeed sin. When that infant demands food, demands to be changed, and screams at the top of his lungs demanding that you satisfy his desires you can begin to see a very self-centered little guy and original sin in all its glory. As he grows he begins to demand more and more, even as a toddler taking a toy away from another toddler or throwing a temper tantrum to 'get his own way'. That's sin. It isn't just murder, or theft, etc. Its DESIRE and its rebellion. And an infant is just as capable of that as any adult.

And you still failed to provide one New Testament (or Old Testament for that matter) verse specifically stating that Mary would be free from sin.

1,095 posted on 05/06/2008 2:55:48 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: griffin
I do feel remorse for the rcc. It is so missing the mark and the attenders and members think they know what they know....they don’t even know that they don’t know the Lord...and that is the rcc leaderships fault.

It’s so hollow, procedureal, unloving, unemotional, heirarchical....

I mean DAMN! My sins are forgiven! Thats CRAZY emotional! I’m not doomed to hell, but redeemed! CRAZY WONDERFUL STUFF! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND HIS MERCY! He achomplished all I need....and the rcc is left holding the bag big with a huge Vatican mortgage payment.


You really feel that being emotional is the best way to relate to the divine? I want a faith built on reason and truth, not the shifting sands of emotion. Emotion is an involuntary thing anyway; if we predicate our repentance on having to "feel" something then we have no free will to repent. Of course it is not a good thing to feel joy and love in the Lord. But faith and repentance must be a matter of making intellectual choices, not trying to induce some kind of emotion. If you base your faith on emotion, once the emotion fades, you lose your faith.
1,096 posted on 05/06/2008 2:57:07 PM PDT by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: Petronski

Do you think it’s wise for a Catholic to possess a Protestant bible like the KJV?


1,097 posted on 05/06/2008 2:58:40 PM PDT by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: conservativegramma
Also not sure where you went to school that you can't do the %'s on this one to figure out that at best 37% does NOT EQUAL MUCH. Suffice it to say you’re ‘wrong’. And if you're WRONG on this, what ELSE are you wrong on?????

"Much" is a subjective term and by YOUR account, with the exception of the Pauline epistles, ONLY two gospels, Acts and one epistle were written before his death.

1,098 posted on 05/06/2008 2:58:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

Wise? I don’t know that it’s wise or unwise. In any event, it was a gift.


1,099 posted on 05/06/2008 3:00:43 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Quix

The contention made by some here is that Paul considered the New Testament to be “complete,” I was simply pointing out that this is IMPOSSIBLE.


1,100 posted on 05/06/2008 3:01:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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