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To: fortheDeclaration

***Nothing new about it. *** John 3: 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.

Didn’t say it was new, but to note that those who do not believe on the Son of God face the wrath of God.***

You really should go back and read your old posts to find out what you posted and what you didn’t.

***No, I never stated that, I have stated that you cannot be saved by what is stated in those passages.

To perform those acts you must have the grace of God in you, which comes by faith.***

Are you saying that you must have faith first, and then you acquire the Grace of God?

***And how many more hail Mary’s?

Far more than the our Fathers, so your deception is obvious.***

Deception? Who am I deceiving? You? God? What under Heaven are you talking about?

***And let us see what Paul says about praying: 1 Thess 5: 17 Pray without ceasing.

That doesn’t mean vain repetitions, which is condemned in Matthew 6.***

So, you don’t follow Paul’s exhortation and the reason is that when you pray you don’t babble, right? But when I pray, that is babbling. And you know all this about me how?

***The Rosary is an abomination that encourages prayers to the devil known as the ‘Queen of Heaven’ mentioned in Jer.44.***

I didn’t know that the Mother of God is a devil. Nice religion. The Mary that I have in my Scripture was a nice little Jewish girl who bore Our Lord. What religion did you say that you followed?

***Like I said, show from the context that John 3:36 isn’t saying that if you don’t believe in Christ you will face the wrath of God?

You can’t, so all you’ve shown yourself to be is a truth denier.***

Scripture instructs us far more than little snippets. Scripture says that you must believe; it also says what you must do and the consequences if you don’t. That is why our Bibles are whole and therefore our Christianity is whole; abridged Bibles and mutilated verse obviously spawn abridged and mutilated religion. As you keep showing.

***The common people read and spoke in their own native language, which wasn’t Latin.

As for what language Jesus used, I know He didn’t use Latin!***

The common people couldn’t read. Are you that unlearned of historical times?

What language did Jesus use?

***Gee, what a brilliant analogy!

Did you think that one up all by yourself.***

I tried to make it easy for you.

***I didn’t just give you a single quote, I gave you two that showed that the Roman Catholic religion was part of medieval governments.***

Wikipedia does not count unless backed up by more sound references. High school teachers who brag that they post things not found in high school textbooks are not sound references either. You have proven nothing here.

***Really?

II haven’t seen much on the way of facts, but I have seen alot of overblown rhetoric by someone who thinks he is alot smarter than he is. ***

Your statements, although you think that they have the force of fact, are merely your statements. Repeating them and occasionally referring to suspect websites do not give them the status of facts.

***Another person can judge another persons soul by their words and actions.***

The only Judge that I recognize is the Lord God Almighty. The only entity other than Him that claims the same is the brightest angel. I do not suspect that you are God.

***You have rejected the grace of God and you will burn.***

Give Fred Phelps all my best, if you would.

***My advice to you is to enjoy the taste of water while you can now, since when you enter into eternity, you will never taste it again ***

My advice to you is read Matthew 7 and try to understand it.


1,376 posted on 06/02/2008 8:20:34 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
[***Nothing new about it. *** John 3: 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. Didn’t say it was new, but to note that those who do not believe on the Son of God face the wrath of God.***]

You really should go back and read your old posts to find out what you posted and what you didn’t.

Well, what part about John 3:36 don't you understand?

[ ***No, I never stated that, I have stated that you cannot be saved by what is stated in those passages. To perform those acts you must have the grace of God in you, which comes by faith.*** ]

Are you saying that you must have faith first, and then you acquire the Grace of God?

I am saying that you cannot add works to faith.

[ ***And how many more hail Mary’s? Far more than the our Fathers, so your deception is obvious.*** ]

Deception? Who am I deceiving? You? God? What under Heaven are you talking about?

Anyone reading your wearisome posts!

Now, you want to make an issue of the 'our Father's' but don't mention the 'hail Mary's' that go with it, five to one!

So, Mary gets more prayer than God the Father does!

[ ***And let us see what Paul says about praying: 1 Thess 5: 17 Pray without ceasing. That doesn’t mean vain repetitions, which is condemned in Matthew 6.*** ]

So, you don’t follow Paul’s exhortation and the reason is that when you pray you don’t babble, right? But when I pray, that is babbling. And you know all this about me how?

No, I don't babble, which is what the Rosary is.

So, if anyone prays using the Rosary, that is exactly what it is, just saying endless prayers by repetition.

[ ***The Rosary is an abomination that encourages prayers to the devil known as the ‘Queen of Heaven’ mentioned in Jer.44.*** ]

I didn’t know that the Mother of God is a devil. Nice religion. The Mary that I have in my Scripture was a nice little Jewish girl who bore Our Lord. What religion did you say that you followed?

There is no Mother of God!

Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, not the Mother of God.

God doesn't have a mother.

I am a Christian.

[ ***Like I said, show from the context that John 3:36 isn’t saying that if you don’t believe in Christ you will face the wrath of God? You can’t, so all you’ve shown yourself to be is a truth denier.*** ]

Scripture instructs us far more than little snippets. Scripture says that you must believe; it also says what you must do and the consequences if you don’t. That is why our Bibles are whole and therefore our Christianity is whole; abridged Bibles and mutilated verse obviously spawn abridged and mutilated religion. As you keep showing.

No, this isn't about 'snippets' this is about clear scripture which you have rejected by running to verses to deny what the word of God says, that if you don't believe on Christ, you will face the wrath of God.

Your good works have nothing to do with your salvation and if you attempt to add anything to it, you have rejected the grace of God (Rom.4, Gal.3)

[ ***The common people read and spoke in their own native language, which wasn’t Latin. As for what language Jesus used, I know He didn’t use Latin!*** [

The common people couldn’t read. Are you that unlearned of historical times?

What makes you think they couldn't read during the Lord's time?

Literacy levels have always been high among the Jewish people who learn to read the Old Testament scriptures.

What language did Jesus use?

He used the language of the common people.

[ ***Gee, what a brilliant analogy! Did you think that one up all by yourself.*** ]

I tried to make it easy for you.

Well, it just showed your own mental limitations.

[ ***I didn’t just give you a single quote, I gave you two that showed that the Roman Catholic religion was part of medieval governments.*** Wikipedia does not count unless backed up by more sound references. High school teachers who brag that they post things not found in high school textbooks are not sound references either. You have proven nothing here. ]

Actually, the issue is the facts and both were correct.

So your whining about the source is just some more of your blowing smoke to hide the fact that you are ignorant of everything you have attempted to discuss.

[ ***Really? II haven’t seen much on the way of facts, but I have seen alot of overblown rhetoric by someone who thinks he is alot smarter than he is. *** ]

Your statements, although you think that they have the force of fact, are merely your statements. Repeating them and occasionally referring to suspect websites do not give them the status of facts.

No, actually they are facts, but your comments are just so much empty rhetoric.

[ ***Another person can judge another persons soul by their words and actions.*** The only Judge that I recognize is the Lord God Almighty. The only entity other than Him that claims the same is the brightest angel. I do not suspect that you are God. ]

As I said, it isn't me that is judging you, but the Scriptures that you have denied, they condemn you.

[ ***You have rejected the grace of God and you will burn.*** Give Fred Phelps all my best, if you would. ]

Just stating a simple scriptural fact as stated very clearly in Jn.3:36 and Rev.20.

[ ***My advice to you is to enjoy the taste of water while you can now, since when you enter into eternity, you will never taste it again *** My advice to you is read Matthew 7 and try to understand it. ]

My advice to you is, since you are determined to reject the grace of God, is to enjoy the blessings of God while you can, because eternity is a long time!

And as it is appointed unto to man once to die but after this is the judgement (Heb.9:27)

Rev.20: 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That is the future for all of those who reject the grace of God, as you clearly have.

Now, stop wasting my time.

1,382 posted on 06/03/2008 2:22:21 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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