No, you stated that the Church wanted control to keep the people in ignorance and darkness. The Church proclaims the Gospel of Jesus Christ in greater quantity and more frequently (a minimum of once per calendar day) than any Protestant church that I have ever observed.
And that has nothing to do with the fact that they historically have attempted to keep Bibles out of the hands of the average person.
Moreover, the 'Gospel' that your 'church' proclaims is a false one.
Acts 17:11 - These Jews were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all willingness and examined the scriptures daily to determine whether these things were so - refers to their reception of Paul and Silas and whether or not their preaching checked with the Old Testament. Remember that the NT was not yet written - presumably some early Pauline letters only - and therefore your conclusion is obviously wrong.
Yes, they were checking the Old Testament scriptures, to see if what Paul was saying was true or not.
So, my conclusion is entirely correct.
The principle is that even Apostles were to be judged by the Scriptures, New or Old Testament.
[ ***Actually many copies were made*** ]
How many? Estimated population of Italy, the British Isles, France, Iberia, Germany and Scandinavia was 55 million in 1300. A few hundred were made. How did that help the 54.9 million illiterates?
We were talking about England, and Wycliff.
Wycliff's teaching did effect Europe with the rise of Jan Hus and his own movement in Bohemia.
Whatever the amount produced, there was a strong demand for the truth of God's words in the peoples own language.
[ ***Did I say that Gutenberg didn’t print with offical approval? First, why should anyone have to print with anyone’s approval-a fact that doesn’t seem to bother you and your fellow Roman Catholics, all who claim to love American freedoms, freedoms that came from the Protestant Bible, not any Roman Catholic one.***]
You are the one claiming hat the Church wanted to keep everyone in ignorance and didn’t want people reading Bibles. Why would the Church push Gutenberg to publish Bibles if they didn’t want people to read them?
Because they still had control over the production of books.
They didn't realize that it was going to get out of control.
Why are you going on about freedoms? We want accuracy when it comes to the Word of God, not the freedom to publish any old crap that it occurs to one to publish. We have several editions such as the New Inclusive Translation which is the logical outcome of ‘freedom’.
And who is this 'we' and who is it that determines 'accuracy'?
If you don't like a version, you don't have to buy it.
But then again, you are not too concerned about actually reading a Bible, the daily readings at the Mass suffice.
But your hatred of freedom is very revealing.
[ ***Second, the only bigotry that is made clear is your obvious inability to read what is actually written and to twist it to make it fit your own preconceived views of truth.*** ]
2000 years of watching people try to put a new spin on the Good News of Jesus Christ all the time gives one a good perspective on things.
The Roman Catholic Church doesn't have the 'good news' of Jesus Christ, they put people under bondage to a tyrannical system of dead works, idols, mysticism and spiritual death.
No Roman Catholic can say with any certainly that if he would die in the next instant where he would be.
That is because no Roman Catholic is depending on the saving work of Christ to save him, but on the merits of the works of the flesh.
[ *** Remove the thin veneer of American values from you and most of the other Roman Catholics on these threads, and none of you would have any problem obeying Roman Catholics decrees attacking those same freedoms and using any means to do so.***]
In other words, you claim that freedom entails the right to print lies and call them truth; to twist meanings and call them real and to make up theology as you go along.
I think freedom entails the right to print lies so that truth can be printed as well.
What I don't think freedom means is having someone else determine for me what I should or should not read.
That is what the 1st Amendement of the Constitution represents, and it is the first thing that is suppressed in any nation controlled by Roman Catholicism-as your own views clearly attest to.
***The Church proclaims the Gospel of Jesus Christ in greater quantity and more frequently (a minimum of once per calendar day) than any Protestant church that I have ever observed.
And that has nothing to do with the fact that they historically have attempted to keep Bibles out of the hands of the average person.
Moreover, the ‘Gospel’ that your ‘church’ proclaims is a false one. ***
Well at least you have the grace to admit preaching deficiencies in the general Protestant churches, I’ll give you that.
The Church’s efforts were to keep Scripture as pure and untainted as possible; the earliest English versions were Catholic and appeared nearly 500 years before Tyndale. Wyclif and Tyndale produced tainted and impure Bibles and therefore introduced or supported heresies that were suppressed hundreds of years before.
The Church preaches what Jesus taught and authorized us to preach. It is not for the proud, the stiff necked and the hubris ridden to create new spins as the opportunity arises.
***We were talking about England, and Wycliff. ***
5 million people, 4.99 million illiterates and a couple of hundred copies created over 25 years. What was the effect on literacy? Almost nil.
***Because they still had control over the production of books.
They didn’t realize that it was going to get out of control. ***
Your knowledge of history apparently equals your knowledge of the Church. The Church did not control the production of books. The thousands of monks who hand copied Bibles during the dark years contributed to the maintenance of knowledge and civilization. Your second statement is laughable at first and sophomoric to the end.
***And who is this ‘we’ and who is it that determines ‘accuracy’?
If you don’t like a version, you don’t have to buy it.***
God’s Word is now determined by the highest bidder or popular choice? No wonder you guys have tens of thousands of denominations all believing something different. The We is God’s Church and that is the institution that is authorized and the only one authorized to determine accuracy. The Canon of the Bible was determined by the Church.
***I think freedom entails the right to print lies so that truth can be printed as well.***
If you guys would concentrate more on the truth than on lies, you might be better off, spiritually speaking. We have the truth; you reject it. It’s not too late, you know.
***What I don’t think freedom means is having someone else determine for me what I should or should not read. ***
The true reason for popular support of the Reformation. Everyone wants to be their own Pope. You reject the Church and create your own.