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To: fortheDeclaration

***The Church proclaims the Gospel of Jesus Christ in greater quantity and more frequently (a minimum of once per calendar day) than any Protestant church that I have ever observed.

And that has nothing to do with the fact that they historically have attempted to keep Bibles out of the hands of the average person.

Moreover, the ‘Gospel’ that your ‘church’ proclaims is a false one. ***

Well at least you have the grace to admit preaching deficiencies in the general Protestant churches, I’ll give you that.

The Church’s efforts were to keep Scripture as pure and untainted as possible; the earliest English versions were Catholic and appeared nearly 500 years before Tyndale. Wyclif and Tyndale produced tainted and impure Bibles and therefore introduced or supported heresies that were suppressed hundreds of years before.

The Church preaches what Jesus taught and authorized us to preach. It is not for the proud, the stiff necked and the hubris ridden to create new spins as the opportunity arises.

***We were talking about England, and Wycliff. ***

5 million people, 4.99 million illiterates and a couple of hundred copies created over 25 years. What was the effect on literacy? Almost nil.

***Because they still had control over the production of books.

They didn’t realize that it was going to get out of control. ***

Your knowledge of history apparently equals your knowledge of the Church. The Church did not control the production of books. The thousands of monks who hand copied Bibles during the dark years contributed to the maintenance of knowledge and civilization. Your second statement is laughable at first and sophomoric to the end.

***And who is this ‘we’ and who is it that determines ‘accuracy’?

If you don’t like a version, you don’t have to buy it.***

God’s Word is now determined by the highest bidder or popular choice? No wonder you guys have tens of thousands of denominations all believing something different. The We is God’s Church and that is the institution that is authorized and the only one authorized to determine accuracy. The Canon of the Bible was determined by the Church.

***I think freedom entails the right to print lies so that truth can be printed as well.***

If you guys would concentrate more on the truth than on lies, you might be better off, spiritually speaking. We have the truth; you reject it. It’s not too late, you know.

***What I don’t think freedom means is having someone else determine for me what I should or should not read. ***

The true reason for popular support of the Reformation. Everyone wants to be their own Pope. You reject the Church and create your own.


1,315 posted on 05/21/2008 7:22:57 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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***The Church proclaims the Gospel of Jesus Christ in greater quantity and more frequently (a minimum of once per calendar day) than any Protestant church that I have ever observed.

[ And that has nothing to do with the fact that they historically have attempted to keep Bibles out of the hands of the average person. Moreover, the ‘Gospel’ that your ‘church’ proclaims is a false one. *** ]

Well at least you have the grace to admit preaching deficiencies in the general Protestant churches, I’ll give you that.

The Church’s efforts were to keep Scripture as pure and untainted as possible; the earliest English versions were Catholic and appeared nearly 500 years before Tyndale. Wyclif and Tyndale produced tainted and impure Bibles and therefore introduced or supported heresies that were suppressed hundreds of years before.

There was no English translations of the Bible before Wycliff.

Wycliff was the 1st English translation of the entire Bible, not just small sections.

The Church preaches what Jesus taught and authorized us to preach. It is not for the proud, the stiff necked and the hubris ridden to create new spins as the opportunity arises.

The Roman Catholic Church preaches a false gospel of faith plus works and combines it with pagen traditions of Mary worship, rosary beads, thinking a piece of bread is God, Popery etc,

[ ***We were talking about England, and Wycliff. *** ]

5 million people, 4.99 million illiterates and a couple of hundred copies created over 25 years. What was the effect on literacy? Almost nil.

Actually, the thousands of Bibles that were created did a great deal to end illitarcy.

The more Bibles printed, the less illiterates, since people desired to learn to read the Bible.

No thanks to the Roman Catholic Church who attempted to keep them in darkness and blindness.

[ ***Because they still had control over the production of books. They didn’t realize that it was going to get out of control. *** ]

Your knowledge of history apparently equals your knowledge of the Church. The Church did not control the production of books. The thousands of monks who hand copied Bibles during the dark years contributed to the maintenance of knowledge and civilization. Your second statement is laughable at first and sophomoric to the end.

The Roman Catholic Church had a control of Books just like it had a control of everything involved with the Government, since it was a branch of the Government.

[ ***And who is this ‘we’ and who is it that determines ‘accuracy’? If you don’t like a version, you don’t have to buy it.*** ]

God’s Word is now determined by the highest bidder or popular choice? No wonder you guys have tens of thousands of denominations all believing something different. The We is God’s Church and that is the institution that is authorized and the only one authorized to determine accuracy. The Canon of the Bible was determined by the Church.

Freedom of speech is determined by the freedom to publish without restraints from any tyrannical organization.

As for divisions, you should check out your own Roman Catholic organization that has all kind of divisions within it, those who disagree theolgically among themselves, priests who hold Marxist views, reject the Deity of Christ, etc.

The Roman Catholic Church did not have anything to do with the Canon.

Its Old Testament Canon is corrupt, having non-Canonical books in it and the New Testament was recognized by the real church before any corrupt religious organization got involved.

The Church Councils only acknowledged what the New Testament Canon was, it never created it.

[ ***I think freedom entails the right to print lies so that truth can be printed as well.*** ]

If you guys would concentrate more on the truth than on lies, you might be better off, spiritually speaking. We have the truth; you reject it. It’s not too late, you know.

Freedom of speech means allowing those things that are untrue to be published, so that which is true can be as well.

Spiritually speaking, the Roman Catholic Church is as far away from the truth as heaven is from hell.

The true reason for popular support of the Reformation. Everyone wants to be their own Pope. You reject the Church and create your own.

What Christians believe is that the Pope is nothing more than a lying anti-Christ deceiving millions with the help of his father the devil (Jn.8:44)

There is still time for you to reject the RCC lies and receive the free gift of eternal salvation through faith in the Blood of Christ.(Rom.3:25).

If you don't, you will end up at the great White Throne Judgement with the rest of the Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, nuns who put their faith in an apostate, wicked organization instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.

1,319 posted on 05/22/2008 3:57:35 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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