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Some have downplayed the significance of this ugly history, claiming that Rome only forbade “unauthorized” vernacular versions, not all vernacular versions. This is one of those half truths which is used to hide the truth, for to state the case in such terms is to miss the truth of this history entirely. Note the following facts:

1. THE COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE (1229) AND THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA (1234) FORBADE THE LAITY TO POSSESS OR READ THE VERNACULAR TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE. NO EXCEPTIONS WERE MENTIONED. The Council of Toulouse used these words: “We prohibit the permission of the books of the Old and New Testament to laymen, except perhaps they might desire to have the Psalter, or some Breviary for the divine service, or the Hours of the blessed Virgin Mary, for devotion; expressly forbidding their having the other parts of the Bible translated into the vulgar tongue” (Pierre Allix, Ecclesiastical History of Ancient Churches of the Albigenses, 1821, p. 213). The declarations of these formal Roman Catholic councils held power for centuries thereafter and were repeatedly cited as authoritative by subsequent popes and councils. In fact, these declarations have never been rescinded.

2. THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH DID NOT GIVE THE PEOPLE BIBLES. To argue that the Roman Catholic Church forbade only unauthorized vernacular versions is to argue a technicality which has no meaning in reality. Some odd exception which might have existed at some particular place in some point in history does not change this rule. The fact is that the Roman Catholic Church did not labor to give people the Bible, and wherever Rome held power, the people did not have ready access to the Scriptures. THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE. Consider the very important ENGLISH tongue. The Roman Catholic Church did not produce a Bible in English until 1582, fully two centuries after Wycliffe made the first English Bible, and more than a half century after Tyndale made his masterpiece for the English-speaking world. Rome had done everything in its power to destroy the Wycliffe and Tyndale English Scriptures. Wycliffe’s bones were exhumed and burned by Catholic authorities, and Tyndale was burned at the stake. Even after Rome finally did produce an English Bible (the Rheims-Douai), it was not widely published and made available to the people. The New Testament was reprinted by Catholics ONLY THREE TIMES and the Douai Old Testament, ONLY ONCE, between 1582 and 1750—A PERIOD OF 168 YEARS.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/romedestroyed.htm


1,176 posted on 05/13/2008 10:44:06 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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We begin to scratch the dishonesty of this post by noting that the councils noted, of Toulouse and Tarragona, were not ecumenical councils binding on the whole church, but only regional councils, called during times of upheaval due to heretics. They were not binding outside of southern France and northern Spain; they had no effect on the translations of the Bible into English.

I’ll post more fully on the pre-Wyclif translations of the Bible later...


1,178 posted on 05/13/2008 11:46:59 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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Rome had done everything in its power to destroy the Wycliffe and Tyndale English Scriptures. Wycliffe’s bones were exhumed and burned by Catholic authorities, and Tyndale was burned at the stake.

Very informative posts, thank you.

I was going to mention Wycliff. One thing that jumps out about him was his belief in Sola Scriptura well before the Reformation. Also, I believe the Albigeneses held to Sola Scriptura and their principal sin was refusing to submit to the Roman Pontiff.

1,192 posted on 05/14/2008 8:04:53 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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