The fact that the Catholic Church claims to be “The” church is arrogance. The fact that because other Christians are not acceptable because we members won’t kowtow to the Pope is arrogance. The fact that the Catholic Church bears no resemblance to the first century church or the beliefs and practices they espoused and observed is damning in and of it’s self.
Don’t toss Calvin or the others at me, I don’t care what they say. I can read and understand much and what the Catholic church is today is nothing I want a part of.
The fact that the Catholic Church claims to be “The” church is arrogance. opinion that the Catholic Church ...." is an arrogant opinion.
I'd answer some who hold it are arrogant and some hold it because they are arrogant. But it is possible to think the Mount Sinai was the mountain on which the law was given, not for any reward or becasue of any intrinsic merit but because of God's grace. In fact, I've read that one Talmudic account for the choice of Sinai was precisely BECAUSE it was NOT a very special mountain. An undistinguished and homely mountain would be less likely to distract from the splendor of the Torah.
The fact that because other Christians are not acceptable because we members won’t kowtow to the Pope is arrogance.
If this opinion is held by anyone, he does not understand Catholic teaching.
If I may make a general observation: If you come to a religion thread on a forum given to the discussion of divergent opinions, you can expect to find people who hold opinions you find arrogant. The people themselves may or may not be arrogant, and as it is not impossible that I am mistaken, so it is not impossible that you also might possibly be mistaken.
But neither of us will find out if we focus on what we take as arrogance in our disputants or the opinions they put forth, or rest our arguments on the seeming arrogance of the "facts" of those who disagree with us.
***The fact that the Catholic Church claims to be “The” church is arrogance.***
Nope, it’s historical and spiritual fact, despite all the whining and hysteria.
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How can a fact be "arrogance"? The opinion MAY be arrogantly held AND it may be false or it just might be true (in some sense).
The fact that because other Christians are not acceptable because we members won’t kowtow to the Pope is arrogance.
Not acceptable to whom? Catholics do not formally consider the Catholic Church a "denomination". Only in a loose (and technically improper) sense do we speak of "churches". While the word "Church" translates ekklesia, it is not insignificant that (as I read) it comes from kuriokon - which means, more or less, "belonging to the lord".So, it follows that we do not teach that kow-towing to the Pope is always a requirement of salvation, and that anyone who DOES teach that is misstating our teaching. Some Catholics have misstated our teaching.
We DO say that the "fullness" of the Church on earth is found in the Catholic (please not I am not saying "Roman Catholic" church) Church.
The fact that the Catholic Church bears no resemblance to the first century church or the beliefs and practices they espoused and observed is damning in and of it’s self.
If that WERE a fact, it MIGHT be damning. I've never seen persuasive evidence that it is a fact, myself.
Don’t toss Calvin or the others at me, I don’t care what they say. I can read and understand much and what the Catholic church is today is nothing I want a part of.
I'm sure you can read and understand much. But even the literate and understanding can sometimes err. It is always tricky to tell someone else what He believes when presumably the someone you're telling is often the world's foremost expert on what he himself believes.