Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
What is that verse? I don't recognize it in God's holy word.
Looks very much like it came from the words Rome added to bolster its pagan necromancy.
I realize Luther ripped out of your bible in a fit of anti-Catholic pique, but in doing so he robbed you.
Good luck with that.
Try to follow the thread. Or just don’t participate. That’s always an option, you know.
Depends. Do you want to know what it means, or do you know what Jean Cauvin says it means?
Is calling Mary a “co-redeemer” something that diffuses the glory of God alone and sends it back to the creature? I believe it is.
How can anyone think of a “co-” anything when faced with the real thing.
When I Survey the Wondrous Cross
1. When I survey the wondrous cross
On which the Prince of glory died,
My richest gain I count but loss,
And pour contempt on all my pride.
2. Forbid it, Lord, that I should boast,
Save in the death of Christ my God;
All the vain things that charm me most,
I sacrifice them to His blood.
3. See from His head, His hands, His feet,
Sorrow and love flow mingled down;
Did e’er such love and sorrow meet,
Or thorns compose so rich a crown?
4. Were the whole realm of nature mine,
That were a present far too small:
Love so amazing, so divine,
Demands my soul, my life, my all.
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When I Survey the Wondrous Cross
1. When I survey the wondrous cross
On which the Prince of glory died,
My richest gain I count but loss,
And pour contempt on all my pride.
2. Forbid it, Lord, that I should boast,
Save in the death of Christ my God;
All the vain things that charm me most,
I sacrifice them to His blood.
3. See from His head, His hands, His feet,
Sorrow and love flow mingled down;
Did e’er such love and sorrow meet,
Or thorns compose so rich a crown?
4. Were the whole realm of nature mine,
That were a present far too small:
Love so amazing, so divine,
Demands my soul, my life, my all.
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Honestly — and meaning no sarcasm — I don’t understand how you can say that. You think all the Baptist, Presbyterian, Evangelical Free, and various independent churches who meet around the Word of God out of love for Christ... you think that, if the Pope announced “That’s it!” and closed up shop, they’d all just look at each other, shrug, and go home?
Truly, I don’t follow your thinking.
The books of Macabbees, along with a few other extraneous writings which Rome has carelessly included as part of the Scriptures, do not appear in the Jewish canon of Hebrew books which comprise the Old Testament.
It was removed in an overtly anti-Christian act at Jamnia. The Vulgate derives from the Septuagint anyway.
lol. Gosh, wouldn't that be a wonderful world? No need to spend time declaring the errors around us. Time only to glorify God through the truth of Jesus Christ risen from the cross.
One day.
My apologies. The Vulgate does not derive solely from the Septuagint. St. Jerome did his best to pull from the most original sources he could find.
LOL. Your inability or refusal (after all, I can’t read your mind) to answer a straight question — “what is the definition of reprobate” — is noted. Sadly.
How can anyone think of a "co-" anything when faced with the real thing.
AMEN!
When I Survey the Wondrous Cross
Thank you for that splendid hymn that says it all -- "My richest gain I count but loss, And pour contempt on all my pride...love so amazing, so divine."
Rome's hubris knows no limit.
Neither inability nor refusal. Did you not read my question? I want to know which definition you want: Calvinist or real.
Princeton’s pride knows no limits.
No wonder so many RCs are fleeing the vagaries of the RCC for the certainty of Christ’s atonement on the cross.
Yeah, they’re just banging on the doors of your 70-year-old splinter group.
Petronski, I grew up Roman Catholic, went to Roman Catholic school through 8th grade. Started dating my wife and began attending her Protestant church my junior year of high school. It was there that I finally began to understand the love of Christ. Never quite got it in 8 years of Catholic school and about 5 years as an altar boy.
I blame myself, in part, for that. However, looking back as an adult, I blame the local RCC for not teaching me more about God’s word. What I’m finding out now, is that my situation is not unique.
A few weeks ago in the Protestant church I now attend, the pastor was giving a testimony. He mentioned he was once RCC. He asked if there were any others present that day. As my hand went up, I was amazed to see nearly half of the rest of the congregation raise their hands as well. Out of about 200 present that morning, nearly 100 were former RCC’s.
So, in my estimation, I do believe RC’s are leaving their church as they get acquainted with the truth of God’s word.
I think that's very fair. It was a failure of catechesis, by which I refer both to a failure to teach and a failure to learn. Frankly, the greater failure lies with the adults than the child. It's a sad thing. Your Christian faith does remain intact, and you are baptised, so praise God for that!
So, in my estimation, I do believe RC’s are leaving their church as they get acquainted with the truth of God’s word.
The traffic moves in two directions. I have no measure of the net effect though.
The more orthodox, old-school RCC dioceses/institutions are thriving and the more deconstructed are withering. It's supposed to be universal, but there is good cause for the adage that the streets of Hell are paved with the skulls of bishops.
I will pray for you: that God may bless you (and also that you come back home, as we say in charity).
"As so many have said, a Scriptural understanding of why we are justified by Christ and how this transforms our lives goes to the reason we believe in the first place. Saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for God's glory and the welfare of His family." [excerpt]
And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Luke 23:39-43
Wonderful response, Dr. E.
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