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To: Rameumptom

***I agree that the post Apostolic Christian Father’s don’t understand the true nature of Yahweh. Yet if the post apostolic fathers were really teaching what Christ taught then why did they allow Greek Philosophies such as “Homouosis” and “Trinity” to trump the simple a true gospel of the Bible Text. Show me again where the Bible says “triune”? Do you believe in sola scritpure or not?***

I don’t care if you believe that the Church Fathers understood the “true nature of Yahweh” or not. The Church Fathers understood very well what Jesus taught, reinforced by the Holy Spirit. We passed from a perception of the distant and angry Old Testament God to the New Testament God of Love and Mercy. The Old Testament needs to be understood in the light of the New, and the New Testament needs to be understood in the light of the Gospels. Creating fairy stories nearly two millennia after Jesus was on earth doesn’t make a sound platform on which to move Christian thought. And that is exactly what Joseph Smith attempted to do - to hijack the essence of Christianity for his own fell purposes.

Jesus left the Church, not prose. He is only on record as to writing once - and that was in the sand. Sola Scriptura is a dead end and contrary to the Bible itself. The Church is the legacy of Jesus Christ, not con men or fairy stories.

The Bible does not say Triune. It also doesn’t say that American Indians are the lost tribes of Israel or that golden tablets with gibberish on were planted underground or that a glasslooking con man should be able to unlock the gibberish by looking in his hat.

Ah yes, the FAIR source of truth and accuracy.

Let’s look at some samples:

***First, according to Joseph Smith, Adam was Michael the Archangel in the premortal existence.5 Even now Adam retains his authority: “The keys have to be brought from heaven whenever the gospel is sent. When they are revealed from heaven, it is by Adam’s authority.”6

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Joseph Smith also taught that Adam, as Michael, helped the Father and Son in the creation.

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the Gnostic Christian Apocalypse of Adam taught that Adam “helps in creation and is higher in rank than the god who created him and Eve ***

Your source lost all credibility with me when it trotted out heretical Tertullian and Origen passages and claimed that early Christianity believed in those heresies.

Your source does confirm, however, that many early heresies that were refuted by the Church have been resurrected by the LDS. Therefore FAIR does an excellent job in associating the LDS with the early heretics and in my opinion should be treated by the Church now as it did to heretics then.


361 posted on 04/30/2008 1:11:18 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
>>Your source lost all credibility with me when it trotted out heretical Tertullian and Origen passages and claimed that early Christianity believed in those heresies.

I find it intersting that "Orthodox" Christians are always calling each other heretics at the drop of a dime. Lets be objective here really. Who understands the early Christians Doctrines better, Tertullian and Origen, who actually lived and associated with the early Saints or just another FReeper by the handle MarkBsnr? I'll go with them.

450 posted on 05/01/2008 8:30:27 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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