Posted on 04/28/2008 6:33:10 AM PDT by NYer
Nope, that’s still nonsensical rationalization. You attach a lot more significance to Jesus’ genitalia than I do, though, so I think we’re at an impasse.
Seriously, I’m late now. You have my permission to laugh behind my back or speculate about how best to prove I’m a witch when I’m gone. :)
I didn’t cry, just laughed and rolled my eyes.
This is too much fun, that’s the problem.
Since we have such a low birthrate, are we long past the time when men should start bearing children? It makes sense doesn’t it?
I think not since you refuse to answer the question. I pointed to a link which described how only 30% of American Catholics actually believe in it. Pretty low number.
The church unambigiously teaches the Truth of the Real Presence, yet that Truth is either or ignored by a large majority of AmCaths. I’ve pointed out over and over that popular opinion does not equal Truth.
Most AmCaths believe Confession is unneeded and do not bother to receive the Sacrament. Heck, most parishes only offer it weekly for about 45 minutes. The current and former Pope received that Sacrament weekly and stressed over and over how important it is for a fully Christian life.
Yet you seem to have so much faith in American popular opinion and none for the Church.
It’s because it’s inaccurate. “Fundamentalist” means that, like “fundamentalist” Muslims or “fundamentalist” Protestants, such Catholics only rely on certain texts without question. That certainly isn’t the case.
Posts #10 and #64. Did you respond to these points?
You attach a lot more significance to Jesus’ genitalia than I do ...There's no need to be irreverent.
It's not the significance that I attach to Jesus' sex that we're dealing with here, but the significance that Jesus attached to it. He is, after all, the one who chose it.
yeah, it’s like one of those good old fashioned “You people worship Mary” threads.
You’re spinning — using one part of my example and ignoring the other. I know Rod Steiger was not a priest, but I couldn’t think of the name of the one he portrayed so convincingly, and that’s why I added Fr. Corapi. I like Priests who are pugs. I like priests who will kick anyone’s butt who dares say they wear skirts.
I really doubt we will see the words, “Well, maybe I’m wrong.” from TradionalistMommy. As long as she believes that men who are against female ordination are only doing it to “hold women down”, no amount of logic, reasons, Church papers, etc., will change her mind.
It’s like the pro aborts who argue that men can’t be anti-abortion because “it isn’t their body and they’re only thinking that way to hold women down”. Or the favorite, “you are only against choice because you want women barefoot and pregnant and ironing your laundry” charge. You can’t argue that rationally.
I’m sorry it’s this way, but it is what it is.
It’s because those who profess to worldly orders eventually decide they’d rather be in the world themselves, and the vows go by the wayside.
No, what it actually means is that women shouldn't act like the pagan priestesses of the day did, screaming, wailing, and making an "unhholy spectacle" of themselves (this from my Bible study class leader, an elderly gentleman of great scholarship, who converted to Catholicism back in the days of the Latin Mass, who studied Latin to understand the mass, and then Hebrew and Greek to study God's Word).
Serving as lectors is perfectly permissible.
Sometimes it gives me an opportunity to get in a plug for the truth.
So, for that: Thanks!
Because the denominations that have tried it have literally gone to hell in a bucket. That’s the main reason. Again, it’s like socialized medicine — it sounds good, has never worked when tried, learn the lesson.
“Only by having a deep knowledge of the Person and work of Jesus Christ is the priest able to understand his own identity. John Paul says, “the priest finds the full truth of his identity in being a derivation, a specific participation in and continuation of Christ himself, the one high priest of the new and eternal covenant. The priest is a living and transparent image of Christ the priest…”
“…A priest is set between God and man. Now he needs someone between himself and God, who of himself cannot approach to God; and such a one is subject to the priesthood by sharing in the effect thereof. But this cannot be said of Christ; for the Apostle says (Heb. vii. 25): Coming of Himself to God, always living to make intercession for us…And therefore it is not fitting for Christ to be the recipient of the effect of His priesthood, but rather to communicate it to others. For the influence of the first agent in every genus is such that it receives nothing in that genus: thus the sun gives but does not receive light…Now Christ is the fountain-head of the entire priesthood: for the priest of the Old Law was a figure of Him; while the priest of the New Law works in his person, according to 2 Cor. ii. 10: For what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned anything, for your sakes have I done in the person of Christ.”
And as Father Levis concludes:
“In conclusion the following written by Fr. Robert J. Levis, of Erie, PA on 09-10-2003:
Celibacy will remain a characteristic of the Western Priesthood for the following reasons: 1. The priest is considered a groom, like Christ the Groom, married to the whole Church. This is an ancient patriarchal notion and a good one. This Christian union is monogamous, one husband with one wife. The priest's wife is his people whom he serves without counting the effort.
2. The vocation of the priest is to stand in the person of Christ who was celibacy throughout his whole life.
3. The primary purpose of marriage is the rearing and training of children, an enormous task. An essential duty of the priest is to administer the Sacraments most especially the Holy Eucharist, a most solemn duty which requires a detached life, much solitary prayer, and training for homiletic work.
4. The priest is considered the “sexless one”, the man to whom all, men and women, may come in complete freedom and openness with their counseling problems. Any woman can see the priest who is not some woman's husband, which is a freedom for her and an advantage for the independent priest.
5. Imagine the costs of providing for a priest and his non-conceptive family, a real practical consideration in these times. God bless.
—Fr. Bob Levis”
If you have a family, how many collections would you need to put food in the table and gas in your vehicle?
It's advisable not to question the will of the Lord. He chose 12 men! Do you think you can do better than Jesus Christ?
You haven't been listening to Pope Benedict lately, have you? Doctrine doesn't change.
Please take a glimpse at “Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, John Paul II, 22 May 1994 - Apostolic Letter” This settled the matter as far as the teaching of the Church. If you continue to deny the conclusion that the Church has no right and will never have a right to ordain women you are simply not Catholic.
You are in rebellion and your heart will continue to harden. The answer if readily available and that is repentence. If you can not repent than you need to leave the Church and shop around for one that suits your own views. I think there are some empty pews in 815 churches. Give them a holler.
So who the hell is making you stay in this backwater, dying institution who’s very doctrine forces women into subservient roles? Gee I think you’d be pounding towards the exit to leave this anachrostic example of entrenched misogyny. And we haven’t even discussed the artificial birth control issue- talk about sneering at the empowerment of wimmin.
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