Posted on 04/28/2008 6:33:10 AM PDT by NYer
In the run-up to Pope Benedict XVI's visit to the United States, there was a tremendous display of unseriousness at the National Press Club, followed by a sacrilege at a nearby Washington, D.C., church.
A misguided group called the Women's Ordination Conference held a protest – a press conference and an all-woman "Mass" at a local Methodist church. The group, as the name suggests, wants to see "the ordination of women as priests, deacons and bishops." Sadly, the group doesn't understand women or the Catholic Church.
In a prepared statement, WOC executive director Aisha Taylor declared:
"The failure to ordain women is a blatant manifestation of sexism in the church that has wider repercussions in the world.
"In the three years of his papacy, Pope Benedict XVI has made a few encouraging statements about women, but he has done nothing that suggests willingness to open the discussion on women's ordination. That's why for his 81st birthday, we are offering the pope a present: the gift of women, their leadership, talents, experiences and unique perspectives."
The group trailed the popemobile to papal events with a billboard truck that asked: "Pope Benedict, How long must women wait for equality? Ordain Catholic Women."
As they are stuck on their version of "equality," the fundamental problem with the group and its message is that whatever Benedict says or does will not be enough for them. They are not open to listening, but to dictating an unworkable agenda. If they were open to it, they would hear and see the Roman Catholic Church's embrace and celebration of women. Women will not be priests, but they will always be an essential part of the Church.
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Rod Steiger was an actor, not a priest. There’s your problem.
Hmm... if we have reached the point of hysterical, sarcastic red herring arguments ...Too bad you didn't think about that before you started dismissing those who disagree with you as misogynists : )
I don't have numbers at my disposal, nor do I have the time to go find them. I have qualitative support: traditional orders are growing; orthodox dioceses are producing priests; liberal/"progressive" dioceses and orders are withering away IN REGARDS TO CLERGY AND PROFESSED RELIGIOUS. Until this is remedied, the church attendance issue will not be fixed and cannot be fixed. Are the orthodox dioceses still bleeding parishioners and thin on priests? Sure. Are the orthodox religious orders still small? Certainly. But they aren't as small, they aren't bleeding as badly, and they have genuine hope that the situation will get better. Look at the FSSP, or the Society of St. John Cantius, or the Dioceses of Lincoln and St. Louis, or Kenrick-Glennon and St. Charles Borromeo. Compare them to their less traditionally-minded counterparts. It cannot be ignored.
I can only speak for what i know: my fellow seminarians from our rather small diocese have absolutely no interest in liberal or modernist concepts.
You never answered my question: HOW do you explain the trends that exist, which are in stark contrast to your assertion?
I think he dismissed himself as a misogynist quite efficiently with “I think women should be silent and keep their heads covered” in Catholic churches.
At some point, you gotta tell it like it is. Now I really have to go!
I don’t know how you can expect me to explain something you, yourself, can’t provide any evidence to support. The burden of proof is on you, I’m afraid.
The majority of catholics also do not believe in the True Presence or any need for the Sacrament of Confession. Are they right?
You also never answered this question. Please look into this. Just because the “majority” of a MSM poll supports something doesn’t mean that it’s accurate.
Why do you object to the term “fundamentalist”?
Interesting observation. I happen to be 1)in college and 2)a college seminarian. None of the other seminarians nor the other students I know who actually take interest in their faith are willing to support such concepts that you propose.
Are you planning to reproduce?
Hey, I’m fielding questions from a lot of people here, doing my best!
Can you provide statistics supporting your claim?
What a tragic failure of Catechesis!
It’s non-numerical data. Full seminaries versus empty ones. Dioceses ordaining priests versus those who are not. Religious orders that are growing and bursting at the seams with young members versus those who are graying and have not taken in new members in years. The proof is there.
That’s not the issue. I’m in the generation of which you have made sweeping and erroneous generalizations.
If the proof is there, you should have no trouble producing numerical data, no?
I showed the results of a Zogby poll in April, showing that 2/3 of American Catholics born after 1960 support the ordination of women priests.
I’m not the one making sweeping, erroneous generalizations.
You don't have any meaningful data concerning the matter either.
Then why are you still arguing?
The True Presence has been a long-standing belief of the Church. BTW, I am looking to reproduce an it was my fiancee who convinced me to see things more traditionally, incl. no women priests. This from a woman (and a really good one too. :) )
You’ve stopped making sense now. “I can’t produce data when I don’t know what it is”? That’s pretty revealing!
I haven’t made any extraordinary claims in this thread, only pointed out facts, and supported them with evidence when asked. You have not responded in kind.
I wish you luck in the seminary.
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