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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Petronski; 1000 silverlings; Quix; hosepipe; Mad Dawg; wmfights
Er, if I may – there is a difference between baptism by water and baptism by the Holy Spirit. The baptism by water is an act of obedience and/or repentance whereas the baptism of the Holy Spirit is effectual to our new life in Christ.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. – John 1:33

And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. – Acts 1:4-8

Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. – Acts 11:16

The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: - I Peter 3:21

The Holy Spirit is the living water.

He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) – John 7:38-39

And God cannot be contained, controlled or manipulated by man:

For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, [and] hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. – Jeremiah 2:13

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. – John 3:6-8

The Didache is in grave Spiritual error by misappropriating the term "living water" to mean fresh, natural water instead of the Holy Spirit Himself.

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism.

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.

And thus any doctrines or traditions of men which derive from that misappropriation of the term "living water" perpetuate that Spiritual error.

Truly, only the new Spiritual creature we become by baptism of the Holy Spirit can enter heaven.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. - John 3:5-6

So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. – I Corinthians 15:42-45

To God be the glory!

973 posted on 04/29/2008 8:55:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
The Didache is in grave Spiritual error by misappropriating the term "living water" to mean fresh, natural water instead of the Holy Spirit Himself.

This is something wonderfully consistent from you. You reject the Catholic Church, so why not reject the word of its earliest fathers: the Apostles themselves.

Still, I am staggered by the arrogance: the Apostles are wrong, but you are right?

LOL

975 posted on 04/29/2008 9:10:57 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Quix; madd dawg
Its not an accident this planet has so much water.. Nez Pas.. For it is not only symbolic but metaphorical of other things.. Other things that "we" would have difficulty understanding without a stark object lesson, like water to allude to.. i.e. Baptism, Trinity, Sanctification(cleanseing), Thirst, Rain, Oceans, rivers, streams, brooks, trickles, Drops, floods, dew, fog, snow, ice, steam, mud, slush, quicksand, even urinate and a hundred(maybe a thousand) other words and nuances of words..

No accident this is the water planet.. Quite divine no doubt..
Baptism is a link between the body and the spirit.. even the Spirit..
The word nudges even weans our minds from the natural to the spiritual..
Baptism is a brilliant spiritual gambit.. for teaching..
Is GOD cool or what?..

978 posted on 04/29/2008 9:33:37 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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