[joseph20]

"Since all honor and veneration is due to God alone, any prayers in worship done to anyone but God are wrong."

Very slick use of language there. I notice how you qualify that statement with "in worship". So what about prayers, not in worship, done to anyone but God? Say for example, prayers to your Mom or your brother or your neighbor...those are of course not wrong. Do you believe that prayers to a loved one that has died (and you presume to be in heaven) are wrong? I doubt it.

So, what is wrong with praying to Saints in heaven, or Archangels, or Mary? How are they so different than prayers to a neighbor or a loved one that has passed away? Haven't you ever heard a person ask another person to pray for them? I've seen it at protestant churches. A person will ask the pastor to pray for them, for example. Well, if you can ask your pastor to pray for you, why can't you ask a Saint to pray for you, or Mary for that matter?

I don't think you can find any language in any of the official Catholic prayers to Mary or any of the Saints that constitutes worship in any way.

[AnalogReigns]

Precise language, not slick...I’m not trying to fool anyone, merely trying to distinguish religious art (which is fine & good) used in instruction, verses art used to worship. This is the same distinction Exod. 20:4,5 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them...” makes in the 10 Commandments between art, and an idol. The ancient Jews were NOT anti-representative art, the old Temple was full of it...JUST not of God, and not used to worship. The central object used in worship actually was the Ark—always hidden from view—containing the 10 Commandments and topped with 2 (ironically enough) statues of Angels KNEELING before God (kind of un-idols, in reality).

I do believe that trying to communicate to anyone who has died —no matter how holy a life they lived, is wrong. Why? The only example we have of communicating with a dead holy person is in I Samuel 28, when the evil king Saul used a witch to call up the holy prophet Samuel. So we only have one (very bad) example of communication between someone who is alive on earth with someone who has died.

2ndly, is that it is useless. Why? It’s fine to ask your friends or your mother or your priest to pray for you, as they can communicate with you, and they can communicate with God in prayer.

There is however utterly no indication in the bible that we are able to communicate with those who have died. Even in the bad example above it took a witch to communicate with Samuel—and such necromancy is completely condemned in scripture. I don’t think Roman Catholics guilty of necromancy, it is just that Mary (or St. Catherine, or St. So&so), can’t hear you—and they’re not supposed to. God always hears us, and in his mercy, perhaps he hears prayers to saints and answers some of them...since He knows His people are needy and such prayers are done in ignorance.

Again I challenge you though, if prayers to saints in heaven are possible and are so important, why not a word about it in the foundational documents of the church, that is the bible?