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Mary and the Problem of Christian Unity
Coming Home Network ^ | Kenneth J. Howell, Ph. D.

Posted on 04/09/2008 12:36:13 PM PDT by annalex

Mary and the Problem of Christian Unity

By Kenneth J. Howell, Ph. D.

We are living in a remarkable age. As we approach the third millennium of Christianity in the year 2,000, we are watching a world in extremes. Amid the rapid onslaught of secularization and irreligion, we find hordes of people seeking solace in religion.

Amid the ravages of war and violence, we find the comfort and love of those who care for the poor and disadvantaged. Amid the lightning pace of modern life, we find souls searching for deeper meaning by retreating to monasteries and ashrams for solitude.

Two of the most powerful inspirations in late twentieth century Christianity are the drive toward greater unity among Christians of widely differing backgrounds (ecumenism) and the rapid growth of Marian devotion all around the world. This century has seen unprecedented efforts to bring together Christians who have been separated by misunderstanding and prejudice. And just when the ecumenical movement on a formal level seemed moribund, a new surge of grassroots ecumenism is finding ways of bringing together Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant Christians. Whatever the outcome of these efforts, the air of this last decade of the second millennium is filled with the scent of Christian unity. It seems that Christians are grasping every opportunity to reconcile their doctrinal differences and to find the sweet savor of "brothers dwelling together in unity" (Ps 133: 1).

If this is an age of ecumenism, it is equally a Marian era because no century since the birth of Christ has witnessed such an outpouring of devotion to the mother of Jesus. As many observers note, reported apparitions and locutions have multiplied, leading numerous Christians to an unprecedented devotion to the humble handmaiden of the Lord who was privileged to bring the world its Redeemer. In tandem with these grassroots movements, there is a monumental effort within the Catholic Church for the Pope to define as dogma Marian doctrines that have long been present in the Church (Mediatrix, Coredemptrix, Advocate). Whether or not the Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church decides to act, there is unlikely to be any diminishing of devotion to the mother of Jesus.

On the other hand, many non-Catholic Christians are mystified by such devotion to Mary. Some feel strangely drawn to honor her, but are afraid of falling into excessive focus on Mary to the exclusion of Jesus. To others, Marian devotion borders on the blasphemous. To still others, Catholics are idolaters. It is not an overstatement to say that no expression of historic Christianity has ever placed Mary in such a high position of honor as has the western Catholic tradition. And even though the Eastern Orthodox Churches have long honored Mary as the Mother of God, they do not have fully developed mariologies as the Western Church has.

The juxtaposition of ecumenical and Marian movements seems odd at best. On the surface, it appears that Mary would be the last subject chosen in an ecumenical dialogue. One might think that all the areas on which common agreement might be achieved should be addressed first, and then deal with the thorny question of Marian doctrine. Better to leave Mary until last. However, I am now convinced that questions about Mary must be addressed up front if any true ecumenism is ever to be achieved.

On a purely human level, no genuine friendship can ignore beliefs which are central to one party while those same beliefs are at best questionable to the other. Further, it is not completely honest for Catholics to pretend that Marian doctrines and devotions are not important and central to our lives. We ought to state openly that the Catholic faith does not allow the Church to ever change its defined dogmas about Mary. On the other hand, we must admit that not everything that goes on under the term Marian devotion is necessary or beneficial for the Church.

What can talk about Mary do to promote the cause of ecumenism? The answer depends on what we mean by ecumenism. One definition, and the one most common, sees ecumenism as a process of negotiation between different churches whereby one church gives up some aspect of its faith and the other partner relinquishes its claim to some of its distinctives. This process proceeds through a number of steps until a lowest common denominator is reached. The result is a church or some other official body which has a reduced form of faith and practice so that it might accommodate each respective member. This has largely been the pattern of ecumenism in the United States and the Western world for the better part of this century. In my judgment, such attempts have been a monumental failure. Mary cannot help with this type of ecumenism. The other definition of ecumenism is  not founded on the concept of negotiation, but on seeking together the truth of God’s revelation. It begins with confessing that we don’t apprehend God’s truth completely, and that we must always seek to have the mind of Christ. In this conception, unity of heart and mind does not come from negotiated agreements, but from all parties, recognizing and embracing the objective truth of God.

It is a commonplace that married couples do not achieve success by each giving fifty percent to their marriage, but by each giving one hundred percent of themselves. In the same way, Christian unity comes from full commitment to searching for truth in a spirit of humility. Ecumenism begins with recognizing that unity already exists in God, that Christ is the center of unity, and that the Holy Spirit is the operative agent in bringing Christians together. Mary has everything to do with this kind of ecumenism.

Mary: The Sign of Unity ?
How can Mary help in promoting Christian unity? Many may feel the weight of disunity among Christians and long for a greater oneness in Christ, but can Mary really give us that greater oneness? Mary has been a source of division between Catholics and Protestants for a long time. What good will focusing on Mary bring? How can Christians be one when the very Marian devotions so precious to Catholics are viewed as idolatrous by Protestants? To human eyes, it seems that almost any other Christian doctrine would be better suited to bring unity than doctrines of Mary. And if we think of Mary just as a set of doctrines, that would be true. But Mary is more than a set of doctrines. Mary is a person. She lived her life on this earth as the mother of our Lord with her own character, mind, and idiosyncrasies. These things are true regardless of what we believe about her. Mary is what she is apart from our beliefs.

There is one unmistakable fact that we must remember about the real Mary—the Son of God lived in her womb for nine months. This is how Mary can be an instrument of unity. She united the Logos, the second person of the Trinity, with His human nature in her own body. Mary united more than any human being has ever united. She united God and man in the small confines of her own womb. Ponder this amazing reality. In Mary’s womb, heaven and earth were joined, not as two separate realities, but perfectly united in the one person of the Son of God. No wonder it says that "Mary treasured all these things and pondered them in her heart" (Lk 2:19). It is a reality beyond words.

Mary was the instrument of unity for the body of Jesus Christ and this is why Mary has long been thought of as mother of the church. The church is the body of Christ and Mary was the mother of Christ’s body, both physically and mystically. It is clear from Scripture that Jesus Christ is the key to unity among Christians, but the one Savior Jesus Christ would not be what he is—the perfect God-man—without Mary’s being the means of uniting His divine and human natures in one person.

Mary’s example of obedience and discipleship also forms the foundation of unity. Mary gave herself unreservedly to Jesus her Son. Every Christian wants to be an obedient disciple of our Lord and needs examples of obedience to do so. Mary was filled with grace, and this allowed her to listen to the commands of her God without delay. Mary was on earth what every Christian will become in heaven, filled with grace. Obedience means a readiness to say YES to God, a spirit of humility that says "Let it be" (fiat). Unity cannot be achieved through negotiation. It must come through obedience to the apostolic teaching given by Jesus to Paul and the other apostles. Without a willing spirit, we can never achieve God’s desire for unity. Mary’s life of obedience and discipleship calls us to unity with God through obedience.

The unity we seek is not human but divine. Its source is the divine life of Christ the Redeemer. It is that unity for which He prayed when He said, "Father, that they might be one." This kind of unity doesn’t come from each group of Christians giving up some belief or practice for the sake of unity; it comes from each individual or group submitting to the authority of Christ and from the work of the Holy Spirit bringing oneness where it is humanly impossible. Like salvation itself, Christian unity is not within the grasp of human power. All we can do is open ourselves to the ministry of the Spirit to produce the unity that is impossible through negotiation.

It is because Mary has been such a stumbling block for Christians that a fuller embracing of her person and role will achieve a greater unity than we might expect. If we view Mary apart from Jesus, then Mary cannot help us. Yet she was never meant to be seen apart from her Son. Just as the Magi found Jesus "with his mother" (Mt 2:11), so we find Mary involved with her divine Son, cooperating in His work and plan.

We cannot solve the problem of how to be one in Christ. Not by negotiation, not by one or the other side caving in. But God can solve our problems. God specializes in the impossible, just as He once said to Mary (Lk 1:37). If the Holy Spirit can form within the womb of the Virgin Mary a new entity—the unique Godman—then He surely can bring together Christians divided by history, suspicion and misinformation. Perhaps it’s time for us to stop trying to be unified and let God do what we have failed to do. No one can see precisely how this will happen, but we know it won’t happen without embracing the fullness of salvation in Christ himself.

Mary and the Unity of the Trinity
The unity we seek does not result from negotiated agreements. Our Christian unity must be founded on truth. It must be unity of heart and mind, a permanent oneness that is not shaken by the changing tides of custom and culture. The New Testament concept of unity is nothing less than union with the Holy Trinity. Jesus our Lord prayed that the oneness of His disciples would resemble and flow from the oneness experienced by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit: "That they all may be one, Father, as you are in me and I in you that they may also be one in us" (Jn 17:21). Jesus Christ does not want our unity to be like his and the Father’s. He wants our unity to be the same as He and the Father have. 

Mary is both a sign and an instrument of the unity coming from the Holy Trinity because she bears a unique relation to each member. Let’s see how Mary is related to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. First, however, a word of caution. In A.D. 431 the ancient Christian Church defined Mary as the Mother of God because the Church wanted to protect the full divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ. This title, Mother of God (or better Godbearer), asserted that the child in Mary’s womb was nothing less than fully God and fully man. But the title Mother of God never has been nor should be interpreted to mean that Mary is the mother of the Trinity. Mary bears a distinct relation to each member of the Trinity, but she is not the mother of the Father, nor of the Holy Spirit.

Mary is the daughter of the Father.
When Mary proclaims herself the handmaiden of the Lord (Lk 1:38,48), she is declaring her filial obedience to the will of God. The love she has for the heavenly Father shows itself in her desire to be His vessel of bringing salvation to the world. What better sign of unity than this act of submission to the will of God? If we only follow Mary’s lead, we will find ourselves united in heart as her heart was united with the heavenly Father’s heart.

Mary did not negotiate with God, bargain with Him nor seek a compromise. She acknowledged her dependence on His grace and sought to perform His bidding. The will of the Father is unity for us who profess His Son. We will have unity only when we have submitted ourselves to the Father as Mary did.

Yet Mary is more than a sign. She is an instrument of unity. How is this true? Without her obedience the Savior would not have been born. Some Christians think that if Mary had refused Gabriel’s invitation to bear the Savior, God would have found another woman. There is not the slightest evidence in the New Testament for this view. Mary freely gave herself to God’s will of giving the world its Savior. By her instrumentality Mary united the Father to the world through His Son. In a profound sense, Mary united us to the Father through the Son. And that is how we will find a greater degree of unity today. By seeking to imitate her obedience and by seeking submission to the same Father through the Son she bore.

Mary is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit.
Gabriel proclaimed that the Holy Spirit would come over her and the power of the Most High would overshadow her (Lk 1:35). This is the language of marital love (see Ruth 3:9; Zeph 3:17). Mary was united with the third person of the Trinity in order to give flesh to the second person. As the spouse of the Holy Spirit, she gave her body to the service of God so that she might receive the fullness of God. And so Mary is a sign of how we too must seek to be filled with the Holy Spirit to do the will of God (cf Eph 5:18). It is the Holy Spirit who brings Jesus Christ today just as He brought the divine Christ to the womb of Mary (cf. Jn 14:17,18). When we are filled with the Spirit as Mary was, we are united to Jesus and we become more united with one another. Mary’s union with the Holy Spirit brought us the Son who poured out the Spirit that we might be united with both Son and Spirit. Her union brings about our union.

Mary is the mother of the Son.
Through her, Christ’s divine and human natures were united into the one person that would save us from our sins. As Jesus’ mother, Mary signals that our unity will only be in and through her Son. When Paul says that Jesus was "born of a woman ... that we might receive the adoption" (Gal 4:4,5), the apostle implies that true unity comes only from being members of the same family—the same family in which Jesus is the firstborn Son.

We cannot be members of many different families that have a tolerance for one another’s beliefs and worship. No doubt tolerance for cultural and historical differences is essential, but that is still not the New Testament ideal of unity. Unity means being in the same family as Jesus ("one Lord"), having the same content of belief ("one faith"), living in the same Church body ("one baptism"). Only then can we be sure that we have the same "God and Father of all, who is over all, through all and in all." See Ephesians 4:4-6.

Mary: God’s Woman of the Hour
Now is the time for unity among Christians. As we approach the beginning of the third millennium since Christ’s birth, we see an almost unprecedented call to unity. Christian leaders the world over have caught a glimpse of Christ’s will that "they may be one, Father, as you are in me and I in you" (Jn 17:21). The desire for unity is laudable and ought to be pursued with vigor. Yet the only unity worth pursuing, the only unity that will last is the unity that already exists in the Holy Trinity. This kind of unity is not something we achieve. It is something given to us as a gift. This unity is infused in our souls and expressed by oneness of mind and heart (doctrine and love).

Truth without love is barren and sterile. Unity without truth is empty and fruitless. Jesus was a kind and compassionate man who proclaimed the truth. The Lord who wept over Jerusalem’s obstinacy (see Mt 23:37-39), and who was moved with compassion over the "sheep without a shepherd," (Mk 6:34) is the same Lord who said that the truth of His words would not pass away (Lk 21:33). If Jesus is our Lord, then we must follow with equal vigor His truth and love.

Insistence on truth at the expense of unity will not do, nor will embracing unity at the expense of truth. Truth and unity are equally ultimate. Yet even now, we must realize the impossibility of reconciling truth and unity with human schemes and ingenuity. The only way to have unity is by having unity in Truth. The truth that brings unity is Jesus Himself who is "the way, the truth, and the life" (Jn 14:6). The truth Jesus gives is the complete teaching of His will as expressed in and through the Church of the apostles.

The Church is Jesus’ idea and institution; it is part of the will of Jesus. And it is Christ’s Church that wrote and gave us the Holy Scriptures and the truths of faith passed down from generation to generation. Obedience to Jesus means obedience to Jesus’ Church. It is no accident that Christians have spoken of the Church as our mother for centuries. Classic Christianity spoke this way: the one who wants God as a Father must have the Church as a mother. Why is it necessary? Because Jesus is nurturing our faith through our mother, the Church. And that is why Mary is so important.

Jesus is our model but we must remember that even our Lord learned some of His commitment to truth and compassion from His mother. All we have to assume is that Mary lived her own words to see that this is true. She loved truth enough to consent to Gabriel’s invitation to bear the Son of God (Lk 1:38). She was filled with compassion enough to see God’s "mercy from generation to generation" (Lk 1:50). Mary was a woman of truth and love. Her commitment to God’s truth and love lead her to the unity of the Son of God. Her submissive heart that willingly embraced God’s truth and her devoted love for God brought about the unity of Christ’s human and divine natures into the perfect unity of His one divine person.

So Mary’s commitment to truth and unity is both our model and the means of our unity. She modeled our path to unity by her embrace of the divine Son within her womb. We must embrace Him too. Mary is also the means of our having unity because without her act of submission to God we would not have the one Savior who can unify us.

It is time to lay down our defensive postures, to lay aside our personal and political agendas, to give up our dearest visions for the Church and to embrace the complete will of Christ. I believe that if we could simply be like Mary on that day when Gabriel came to her, we could then say with her, "Let it be done to us according to your word" (Lk 1:38). Perhaps, she could say with us:

Lord, we are your servants.
Heal our divisions and
Let Your Son reign as Lord within.
Let Your Word dwell within us
And make us one.

 

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

This article is from Ken’s new book, Mary of Nazareth: Sign and Instrument of Christian Unity. [Queenship Publishing]

 


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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
What I know is that God doesn’t have a mother.

If that's the case, you should be equally scandalized that God worked through a mortal being to become flesh, when He has no need of humanity to do anything whatsoever.

I understand why you don't think God has a mother. Logically speaking, it doesn't seem possible. But the Church teaches that since Jesus is BOTH entirely God and entirely man, they are inseperable natures which were given fleshly birth by Mary, His mother. She can't be at once, the mother of Jesus, and not the mother of the second Person of the Trinity (the Son, hence, God). Since Jesus, in becoming flesh, did not lose an ounce of Divinity, the relationship of Mary remains that of mother to both His human and His Divine natures.

The problem is that, if you deny that Mary was the mother of God, you're denying Jesus' divinity, since He (Jesus) is the Word (made flesh). How does it work? We don't know. It's a mystery as much as the Incarnation itself. Since God doesn't reveal all things to us, we have to work from inspiration and negative conclusions to ascertain that the alternative (Jesus is not divine) is a much harder pill than "Mary is the mother of the uncreated Divine", which requires assent to faith because it IS a mystery.

321 posted on 04/10/2008 1:30:05 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: trisham
>>I don't make any assumptions about anyone’s married life, but then I don't spend much time speculating about the sex lives of my friends.<<

Ok. If you choose not to apply what you know of the human race (being one yourself) then maybe for you I need to appeal to what the bible says about marriage:

1 Corinthians 7: 1 - 5

Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Mary was a wife, and all that that implies, biblically speaking.

This is not real complicated, unless one has ulterior motives for making it so.

322 posted on 04/10/2008 1:33:16 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: annalex
The original says "oi par autou", "those with Him".

There is no "original". If such existed we wouldn't have countless translations.
323 posted on 04/10/2008 1:34:01 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Thank you for your personal interpretation of scripture.


324 posted on 04/10/2008 1:34:15 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: chuckles; Salvation
I read the Bible much different than you do

I can tell you how I read it. I read what is written and I analyze the context. The context in Romans 3 indicates to me that "all" is a literary device of generalization. This is consistent with other scripture that describes some people as "righteous", or "perfect in every way", and not consistent with them being "full of cursing and bitterness", with "feet swift to shed blood", etc.

When in doubt, I check to see how people closer to the apostles understood the passage. This requires familiarity with the writings of the Church Fathers. I also check if the translation is accurate.

You, too, can follow along. The Church has Gospel readings for every day, and I post the Douay and Latin translations every day, followed by the relevant citations from the fathers of the Church. See for example, Jn 6:44-51 and the commentary following for today. You can ask Salvation to put you on the ping list.

325 posted on 04/10/2008 1:35:46 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: OLD REGGIE
There is no "original".

Your bible may have sprang from nothing.

The Bible did not.

326 posted on 04/10/2008 1:35:50 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: nanetteclaret

>>Sacred Scripture says that she is the Mother of the Lord and that all generations will call her blessed. <<

I DO call her blessed in the same way the world would call a lotto winner lucky!

She most definitely WAS BLESSED. WHAT A THING, TO BE SELECTED TO BE THE ONE TO GIVE BIRTH TO JESUS. But that does not make her somehow “better” than anybody else. It makes her very much “blessed”, as any mother would be with their own child, but infinitely more so.

It has nothing to do with anyone’s salvation. Even she, given a free will, could have fallen away. I am not in any way meaning to imply she did, of course. Plese do not infer that.


327 posted on 04/10/2008 1:37:08 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: roamer_1

Marian beliefs do have a very strong theme in the gospels, Mary being second only to Peter in how often she is mentioned.


328 posted on 04/10/2008 1:38:26 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Petronski

>>None who are the Mother of God, received Annunciation of that fact from an angel of God, was met by three wise men who came from far away to give exquisite gifts. None who witnessed their son turn water into wine, or heard from his disciples and others of his miracles. None whose son raised anyone from the dead. None who was crucified, died, was buried and later reappeared resurrected. In other words, no, none of my friends have a son named Christ, a Savior foretold by generations past.<<

So you are basically saying she is “special” and 1 Corinthians does not apply to her? The only one special is Jesus. The rest of us are sinners. Yes, even Mary. But she was truly blessed to be the one to bear Jesus, no doubt about it. That has little relevance to WHY he came, nor to her salvation.


329 posted on 04/10/2008 1:39:34 PM PDT by RobRoy (That is comical)
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To: Rutles4Ever

I am not scandalized by any of God’s choices. He had no need of Mary and has no need of any man nor anything that man can do. Yet He chooses to use us for His pleasure, His glory, according to His will.

Just because the RCC teaches a doctrine doesn’t make it true. No matter how many times you declare it, God has no mother. It’s a mystery to mankind - how God came in the flesh to live among men to save us from sin. He declares that He has always existed - ergo, He has no mother. When Jesus humbled Himself and came to Earth as a human, He was born of the virgin Mary. She was used by God, glory to His name. She was His servant. When Jesus was still young, He began to reveal to her that she was not His mother in the same sense that other women were mothers of their totally earthly boys. She was the mother of Jesus but she ain’t the Mother of God.


330 posted on 04/10/2008 1:39:41 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: RobRoy; OLD REGGIE

Gentlemen:

Since it’s obvious that you believe the Early Church Fathers’ writings are spurious and that their witness from history means nothing, I will bid you good evening.

nanetteclaret


331 posted on 04/10/2008 1:39:50 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (“I will sing praise to my God while I have my being." Psalm 104:33b)
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To: Petronski

BTW. I took your advice about the tagline...


332 posted on 04/10/2008 1:39:58 PM PDT by RobRoy (That is comical)
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To: RobRoy

I prefer not to speculate about anyone else’s married life. It may be a pastime for others, but not for me.


333 posted on 04/10/2008 1:40:15 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I quote Byzantine Majority. What variant do you have?


334 posted on 04/10/2008 1:40:21 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: RobRoy
“”My beliefs are not based on what other people believe. They are based on what the Bible says.””

With all due respect Dear Brother,you are basing your beliefs on your OWN interpretations and placing them above the Saints Interpretations ,some of who decided Bible canon

Take for instance Saint Athanasius,who was the first to present the canonized books of the New Testament.

Here is what He said about the Blessed Mother

“Therefore let those who deny that the Son is from the Father by nature and proper to His Essence, deny also that He took true human flesh of Mary Ever-Virgin; for in neither case had it been of profit to us men, whether the Word were not true and naturally Son of God, or the flesh not true which He assumed.” Athanasius, Orations against the Arians, II:70 (A.D. 362).

But hey, I guess you know more that Blessed Saint Athansius?

335 posted on 04/10/2008 1:40:25 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: nanetteclaret

>>Since it’s obvious that you believe the Early Church Fathers’ writings are spurious and that their witness from history means nothing, I will bid you good evening.<<

That is a shame. I do not mean to say they mean nothing. I merely do not treat them as “gospel”. They are extra-biblical writings by mortal men.

I feel the same about the writings about C. S. Lewis, even though he is my absolute favorite author on Christianity - outside the bible of course.


336 posted on 04/10/2008 1:42:27 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: trisham

>>I prefer not to speculate about anyone else’s married life. It may be a pastime for others, but not for me.<<

OK. Then speculate about married life for human beings as created by god and instructed in his word. Read 1 Corinthians.

You are being intentionally obtuse.


337 posted on 04/10/2008 1:43:52 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: Petronski

That post didn’t interpret Scripture. It called into light several spurious lies taught by the RCC that contribute to the deification of Mary within that organization.


338 posted on 04/10/2008 1:44:06 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Regarding the RCC fixation on Mary:
1. She was sinless from her conception. A lie. If it's a lie, you need to prove it's a lie, first.
2. She was born of a virgin. A lie.Absolutely a lie. The Church does not teach this.
3. She was a virgin all her life. A supposition. Matter of faith - not a difficult concept in Christianity
4. She was assumed into heaven. Another supposition. See #3
5. She is meritorious regarding the salvation of men. A lie. No proof it's a lie.
6. She is the “Queen of heaven. A lie. No proof it's a lie.
7. She is worshiped by the RCC. A fact. A lie based in profound ignorance of what the Church teaches.

“Vast sums of money are spent on jeweled crowns and lavish clothing for some special statues of Mary.

Well, she IS the ark of the covenant. I suppose she should be just as bejeweled.

339 posted on 04/10/2008 1:45:03 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: nanetteclaret

corecting tagline


340 posted on 04/10/2008 1:45:11 PM PDT by nanetteclaret ("I will sing praise to my God while I have my being." Psalm 104:33b)
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