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Mary and the Problem of Christian Unity
Coming Home Network ^ | Kenneth J. Howell, Ph. D.

Posted on 04/09/2008 12:36:13 PM PDT by annalex

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1 posted on 04/09/2008 12:36:14 PM PDT by annalex
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To: 353FMG; AlaskaErik; Always Right; Antoninus; ArrogantBustard; CTK YKC; dan1123; DogwoodSouth; ...
50 Days of Easter 2008 Celebration ping, dedicated to converts to the Catholic faith. If you want to be on the list but are not on it already, or if you are on it but do not want to be, let me know either publicly or privately.

Happy Easter. Christ is risen!

Alex.


Previously posted conversion stories:

Anti-Catholicism, Hypocrisy and Double Standards
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part I: Darkness
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part II: Doubts
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part III: Tradition and Church
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part IV: Crucifix and Altar
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part V: The Catholics and the Pope
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part VI: The Biblical Reality
His Open Arms Welcomed Me
Catholic Conversion Stories & Resources
My Personal Conversion Story
My (Imminent) Reception into the Roman Catholic Church
Catholics Come Home
My Journey of Faith
LOGIC AND THE FOUNDATIONS OF PROTESTANTISM
"What is Truth?" An Examination of Sola Scriptura
"Have you not read?" The Authority behind Biblical Interpretation
The Crisis of Authority in the Reformation
Our Journey Home
Our Lady’s Gentle Call to Peace
A story of conversion at the Lamb of God Shrine
Who is Mary of Nazareth?

2 posted on 04/09/2008 12:43:30 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; fortheDeclaration; OLD REGGIE

God have mercy!

Folks actually believe such convoluted nonsense!

I must say, it helps convince me more and more that the whole Maryology stuff is being set up as an aid to the global government and the one world religion.

Shocking.

Horrific and shocking.


3 posted on 04/09/2008 12:57:18 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: annalex

I have two comments.

I think that while the hopes of reunification with the Orthodox East have never been greater, Protestantism (excepting conservative Luterans and Anglicans) is on a centrifugal trajectory even in relation to itself, let alone the historical apostolic churches. The hostility that evangelical Christian often have to Catholic mariology are a sure sign that it is familial unity under the motherhood of Mary that they fear.

On the other hand, it is worth mentioning that Mary is our important point of contact with other abrahamic religions, as the high point of the existance of Biblical Israel, and a figure who inspires a great devotion among the Muslim.


4 posted on 04/09/2008 12:58:57 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Quix

So the one-world government conspiracy has been around that long?? LOL!


5 posted on 04/09/2008 12:59:38 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

Don’t feed the troll.


6 posted on 04/09/2008 1:02:30 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Well, I agree with one thing the author said: some of us see the place of Mary in the Roman Catholic Church as idolatry...ascribing to her FAR more than the Scriptures do, or ever intended. And this is perhaps one of the greatest hindrances to the ecumenical movement. It is something we simply cannot brush aside.

I know this is going to ruffle some feathers. For that I am sorry. It is not meant to offend, but to be the statement of belief of one seeking after truth. And I find no justification for the assertions made in this article. It is just a bridge too far.

BTW - it is not my intent to debate this issue. I am only stating a long held, carefully researched theological position. We will all waste too much time and energy debating my position.

7 posted on 04/09/2008 1:02:36 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Pyro7480

Some say 400 years.

Which is older than what—at least a couple of the formalized Mariolotry dogmas.

Of course, satan, the author of all of it has been around . . . longer.


8 posted on 04/09/2008 1:05:12 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: LiteKeeper

ascribing to her FAR more than the Scriptures do, or ever intended. And this is perhaps one of the greatest hindrances to the ecumenical movement. It is something we simply cannot brush aside.

I know this is going to ruffle some feathers. For that I am sorry. It is not meant to offend, but to be the statement of belief of one seeking after truth. And I find no justification for the assertions made in this article. It is just a bridge too far.


INDEED. It was shocking to me that anyone would think that was a route to any kind of authentic Christian unity when it’s abjectly and horrifically the opposite.


9 posted on 04/09/2008 1:06:49 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: annalex

Wow. That was quite a slick and brief personal assault.

Thanks for the points.


10 posted on 04/09/2008 1:07:41 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Pyro7480

If only the feared “one-world religion” would include the authentic Blessed Virgin Mary. Then we wouldn’t have to fear it. Of course, it won’t, and we will.


11 posted on 04/09/2008 1:12:29 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Quix

I would like to share a book with ya’ll written by a MS author, Robert McIlvaine titled “Grand Theft Jesus”. I think I bought this book in error, what do you think? I think I know what Rush would say.


12 posted on 04/09/2008 1:14:10 PM PDT by whitebird11 (Grand Theft Liberals)
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To: LiteKeeper

Since you did not offer anything but a naked opinion, there is nothing to debate about it. As I wrote a few posts above, indeed unity or even mutual respect between the Church and the Protestant groupings is only possible if Our Lady is honored by all sides.


13 posted on 04/09/2008 1:15:17 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Don’t feed the troll.

No need to anyway, the Greys take care of that.

The truth is out there.

14 posted on 04/09/2008 1:17:02 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: steve86

The RC edifice hasn’t bothered about the authentic Mary for centuries, why would the global government! LOL.


15 posted on 04/09/2008 1:17:12 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: annalex

I read that assertion as a wholesale brazen and outrageous distortion of the facts.


16 posted on 04/09/2008 1:18:12 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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17 posted on 04/09/2008 1:22:56 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: annalex
Protestantism [...] is on a centrifugal trajectory even in relation to itself, let alone the historical apostolic churches.

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

The hostility that evangelical Christian often have to Catholic mariology are a sure sign that it is familial unity under the motherhood of Mary that they fear.

No. There is no fear involved. The entirety of Catholic mariology, and prayers to saints in general, are without Biblical standing, and are offensive to the singular redemption and intercessory power of Christ.

I remain entirely unconvinced, as are my fellows, I am sure. There will be no reunion as long as the Catholics insist upon such heresies.

[...]and a figure who inspires a great devotion among the Muslim.

Mohammedanism is decidedly *not* a religion based upon the God Jehovah, nor is it of His Son.

18 posted on 04/09/2008 1:23:40 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: annalex

I honor Mary for being willing to follow God’s direction for her life.

She was simply a woman, like any other who has great faith in God. She lived a completely normal life, bearing other children after the birth of Jesus.

I refuse to believe that God would reward her faithfulness by denying her other children.


19 posted on 04/09/2008 1:25:40 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: annalex; LiteKeeper
Since you did not offer anything but a naked opinion, there is nothing to debate about it. As I wrote a few posts above, indeed unity or even mutual respect between the Church and the Protestant groupings is only possible if Our Lady is honored by all sides.

I am afraid it is quite the opposite.

20 posted on 04/09/2008 1:26:36 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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