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To: Zuriel

>> Your problem, not mine.<<

I do not use the word “mystified” as an eight-year-old would. Being mystified isn’t a problem; it doesn’t mean to be left puzzled over apparent contradictions. It means to be transformed into a state of awe and wonder.

>> I absolutely affirm he has risen from the dead. <<

And yet you stated, in devestating contradiction to this, the assertion that what Mary was the mother of is dead.

>> So I ask you, who gave him all power? Certainly not Mary. I referred to John 3:34. Here’s the next verse: “The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN ALL things into his Hand Who raised the Christ from the dead? Certainly not Mary. <<

No one debates this.

>> The Spirit of God left the Christ while on the cross, or he would...never...have...died. As simply as the bread and fishes was multiplied by God, so would an endless supply of oxygen charged blood sustained his body while on the cross.
But, as the passover lamb, he had to die. That’s the object Mary was blessed to help bring forth; the man Christ Jesus, not the God that chose to dwell in him without measure. <<

But that which was the son of Mary also rose from the dead. The spirit re-entered flesh. Jesus was not the co-existence of two beings in one form, but was one being with two natures. That one being did experience death in the manner that the saints still do; like all men, his soul persisted after death. But he is neither dead nor asleep; his soul has reunited with his flesh.

When Elizabeth said, “who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me,” she did not mean in the earthly sense, for Jesus the man had “no kingdom in this world.” Rather, the Greek word used to express the object of her wonder was the same word used in bibles in her day so as not to write the Holy Name. (i.e., “Thus sayeth the Lord:”)

It was not until the adoptionist heresies that anyone mistook “the Lord” for anything other than “YHWH.”


82 posted on 04/10/2008 10:30:20 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I said: I absolutely affirm he has risen from the dead.

You said: And yet you stated, in devestating contradiction to this, the assertion that what Mary was the mother of is dead.

My exact words that you refer to were: “What Mary was mother to died.”
I did not say dead, as in present tense.

**one being with two natures.**

One visible being, the man Christ Jesus (body and soul), AND the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God the Father that dwelleth in him, and raised him from the dead.

“..as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father..” Romans 6:4

Jesus said: “..the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” John 14:10

You said: When Elizabeth said, “who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me,”

No arguement here. Only that the words of Peter make it clear WHO made the Son Lord: “..that God hath made this same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Acts 2:36
That’s why he is Lord, the unlimited Spirit of God is GIVEN unto him. Mary didn’t make that part.

Gotta go, 200 miles to Chicago and hopefully no tornadoes enroute. I’ll check back tomorrow night.


91 posted on 04/10/2008 6:26:50 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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