I said: I absolutely affirm he has risen from the dead.
You said: And yet you stated, in devestating contradiction to this, the assertion that what Mary was the mother of is dead.
My exact words that you refer to were: “What Mary was mother to died.”
I did not say dead, as in present tense.
**one being with two natures.**
One visible being, the man Christ Jesus (body and soul), AND the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God the Father that dwelleth in him, and raised him from the dead.
“..as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father..” Romans 6:4
Jesus said: “..the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” John 14:10
You said: When Elizabeth said, “who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me,”
No arguement here. Only that the words of Peter make it clear WHO made the Son Lord: “..that God hath made this same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Acts 2:36
That’s why he is Lord, the unlimited Spirit of God is GIVEN unto him. Mary didn’t make that part.
Gotta go, 200 miles to Chicago and hopefully no tornadoes enroute. I’ll check back tomorrow night.
Well I hope no tornadoes, either.
>> My exact words that you refer to were: “What Mary was mother to died.” I did not say dead, as in present tense. <<
Fair point, but in the context of an argument that Mary wasn’t the mother of God, there was a plain inference that that which died wasn’t God.
>> That’s why he is Lord, the unlimited Spirit of God is GIVEN unto him. Mary didn’t make that part. <<
Well, that’s the heresy of adoptionism, plain and simple. There you’ve gone and blown the entire doctrine of the trinity. True, there are verses of the bible which could lead one to adoptionism, if the matter were not clarified elsewhere: (”All power is given unto me in Heaven and on Earth”, etc.) Hence, we are very blessed to have the gospel of John spell out the incarnation of Christ which is more clear in ways than the infancy narratives:
“IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men... [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
Note, “was made” is used here in much the same was, “is given” is used in the problemmatic verse. Yet this passage is clear that All things were made by him. Likewise, Jesus, the second person of the trinity, grants himself all power and all authority.
The Word is the second person of the trinity; it is not the Father living in mere flesh.