Before you convert to Roman Catholicism... (Top Ten List)

http://www.reformationtheology.com/2007/08/before_you_convert_to_roman_ca.php ^ | 7 Aug 2007 | James White

[fortheDeclaration]

These are, I believe, the bitter results of self-denial of the Holy Sacraments.

'Holy Sacraments'cannot add grave to you, they are only false traditions made up to deceive you into thinking you need them.

[fortheDeclaration]

If you're right, then being or not being a member of a Catholic Church has no bearing on a person's salvation. And in that case you're stuck with a pointless argument. Your sustained rant about Catholics is utterly misplaced, and laughably irrational. I suggest that you focus more on addressing the serious logical difficulties of your statements.

No, because one stays in the Catholic Church because they believe that it is needed for their salvation.

The RCC preaches a mixture of works and faith for salvation, so stop trying to throw up smoke to obscure the issue.

Mixing faith with works, results in eternal damnation as the Book of Galatians makes very clear.

[Petronski]

'Holy Sacraments'cannot add grave to you,

Your meaning is unclear.

...they are only false traditions made up to deceive you into thinking you need them.

Says who? You? Jean Cauvin?

Right.

[Petronski]

Yes, and you have rejected what He has written telling you how to be saved.

You have allowed an autocratic French lawyer to misinterpret Scripture for you.

You would rather trust in the traditions of men (Mk.7:7).

I trust in the Church founded by Christ, you trust in the Traditions of (Mad) Men like Cauvin.

The Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, who created the system that you are in bondage to are all going to be at the same Judgement, with the millions of people they deceived.(Rev.20)

There you go again, making yourself God.

[Petronski]

No, because one stays in the Catholic Church because they believe that it is needed for their salvation.

You play The Game quite well.

[Petronski]

What is the difference between a Catholic praying to an idol and idoltry-nothing.

Sentence unclear.

[fortheDeclaration]

[...but you are losing your eternal soul...] You are making yourself God again. THAT is a very grave sin.

No, not telling you the consquences of rejecting the grace of God would be a sin on my part.

You must receive the free gift of salvation by faith without any works.

The scripture is very clear on that fact.

If anyone preach any other Gospel, Paul calls a curse upon him. (Gal.1:8).

I believe many Roman Catholics are on these threads to hear the Gospel and hopefully they will search the scriptures to see if these things be so.

If they reject it, they will stand at the Great White Judgement and explain why they rejected what God wrote to them.

[Petronski]

Grace is freedom, not tyranny.

Agreed. Allow me to amplify:

Grace is freedom, Calvinism is tyranny.

[fortheDeclaration]

[What is the difference between a Catholic praying to an idol and idoltry-nothing.]

Sentence unclear.

Having reading problems again?

What is the difference between a Catholic who prays to an idol and someone who is commiting the sin of idoltry?

Answer.

Nothing.

I hope that is clear enough now, I wouldn't want you to be more confused than you already are.

[Petronski]

No, not telling you the consquences of rejecting the grace of God would be a sin on my part.

But you are not telling me the consequences of rejecting the grace of God. You are telling me what you think are the consequences of rejecting Calvinism.

You are, of course, wrong.

If anyone preach any other Gospel, Paul calls a curse upon him. (Gal.1:8).

Me thinks those who preach Calvinism might find themselves in a bit of a pickle.

[fortheDeclaration]

[Grace is freedom, not tyranny.]

Agreed. Allow me to amplify: Grace is freedom, Calvinism is tyranny.

And I will add, Grace is freedom but mixing grace with works leads to eternal damnation.

There is no hope in the Pope, only Jesus saves.

[Petronski]

Having reading problems again?

The last time you claimed I was having reading problems, you posted two contradictory verbs in the same sentence, next to each other, and blamed ME for not understanding which you meant.

What is the difference between a Catholic who prays to an idol and someone who is commiting [sic] the sin of idoltry [sic]?

Catholicism does not involve praying to idols.

[Petronski]

Grace is freedom but mixing grace with works leads to eternal damnation....according to the personal interpretation of Scripture of fortheDeclaration.

STRAWMAN ALERT

There is no hope in the Pope, only Jesus saves.

END STRAWMAN ALERT

[Petronski]

If they reject it, they will stand at the Great White Judgement and explain . . .

To whom? You? Jean Cauvin?

...why they rejected what God wrote to them.

No one will face damnation for rejecting what Cauvin wrote to them.

[fortheDeclaration]

[No, not telling you the consquences of rejecting the grace of God would be a sin on my part.]

But you are not telling me the consequences of rejecting the grace of God. You are telling me what you think are the consequences of rejecting Calvinism.

No, I haven't mentioned a word about Calvinism, you have, I haven't.

I have made an issue about the scriptures.

You are, of course, wrong.

No, the scriptures are clear.

If anyone preach any other Gospel, Paul calls a curse upon him. (Gal.1:8). Me thinks those who preach Calvinism might find themselves in a bit of a pickle.

The ones who preach a faith plus works system are in the 'pickle' and you find that out when you face the Lord at the Great White Throne Judgement.

I have to go now, but I will be back to continue our conversations, since they allow me to preach the Gospel of the Grace of Christ.

[Petronski]

It is you who are under the tyranny of a system of religion that gives you a false gospel and keeps in you in bondage to by deception...

I am not a Calvinist and I resent your insinuation of such.

[Petronski]

No, I haven't mentioned a word about Calvinism...

Only the teachings OF Calvinism.

I have made an issue about the scriptures....as you interpret them.

I have to go now, but I will be back to continue our conversations, since they allow me to preach the Gospel of the Grace of Christ.

Our conversations do allow that, and I'm hoping someday you'll start.

[fortheDeclaration]

[If they reject it, they will stand at the Great White Judgement and explain . . . To whom? You? Jean Cauvin?]

You will explain to God.

[ ...why they rejected what God wrote to them. ]

No one will face damnation for rejecting what Cauvin wrote to them.

I didn't quote Calvin, I quoted scripture, and that is what is going to condemn you.

[Petronski]

I didn't quote Calvin

Did someone say you did?

...I quoted scripture... inflected with your own interpretation.

...and that is what is going to condemn you.

Now you make yourself God again. Thrice in one hour?

[trisham]

and that is what is going to condemn you.

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For shame.