Before you convert to Roman Catholicism... (Top Ten List)

http://www.reformationtheology.com/2007/08/before_you_convert_to_roman_ca.php ^ | 7 Aug 2007 | James White

[fortheDeclaration]

[No, doing something is not classified as a work, it is simply accepting the free gift of salvation, which is not a work, since you didn't earn it or pay for it.]

And somehow it's not possible to do that in a Catholic Church? Hmmmmm. You're perhaps suggesting that it's possible for us to negate God's "election" of us by our own actions? Double Hmmmmmm.

Boy, you just make it us you go along don't you!

There are no works involved in salvation-period!

A work is defined very clearly in Rom.4 as is grace.

Receiving a gift is not a work, and when you receive a present from someone you don't claim credit for accepting it, the person giving it gets the credit and the praise, you get the gift.

So, you did no work in receiving the gift, it was the one who paid for the gift that gets the credit, because they worked to pay for it, not you.

Count me out of your little game, pal. You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. (John 5:39-40).

And those scriptures point out that there is no salvation in any faith/works system.

So, you have rejected the very scriptures you appeal to.

Those same scriptures will be your judge when you appear at the Great White Throne judgement with all the others who mocked at grace and thought they could add to God's grace with their works.(Rom.11:6)

[Petronski]

You posted two directly contrary verbs, castigated me for poor reading skills and now call me juvenile?

THAT is rich.

[fortheDeclaration]

You DO make yourself a god. If I don’t do what YOU say, I’m going to hell.

No, I am telling you what the Bible says, and it will what condemns you

Cauvin was quite the little tyrant.

Compared to the Popes?

LOL!

[Petronski]

There are no works involved in salvation-period!

Another fresh expression of the angrily tyrannical nature of Calvinism.

[fortheDeclaration]

Ooops, there you go snatching a verse from context.

No, it is in context, or you would have shown how I was mistaken.

It is just easier to post any nonsense.

[Petronski]

No, I am telling you what the Bible says...

You are telling me what Jean Cauvin claims the Bible says.

Traditions of Men

[Petronski]

It is just easier to post any nonsense.

Oh no!

Tell me I'm not veering into Calvinism again!

[Petronski]

You stated that I had falsely accused you...

Where?

[Petronski]

I agree with your observation regarding Ephesians 6:11-12.

[ArrogantBustard]

It’s the only explanation that, IMO, covers all the observable facts.

[fortheDeclaration]

You do realize, don't you, that this statement is in direct conflict with the whole "predestination/election" idea that is propounded by so many Calvinist types on these threads. I can't recall whether you're one of those sorts ... but if you are, you've got some confusion about your position.

Don't worry about my 'position', worry about what the word of God says, that is what you are going to be judged by.

[Petronski]

Don't worry about my 'position' [Calvinism], worry about what the word of God says...

Roman Catholics do that every day.

[fortheDeclaration]

[You stated that I had falsely accused you...]

Where?

Here.

By the way, you're bearing false witness against me. 750 posted

Now, stop wasting my time.

[fortheDeclaration]

[it is just easier to post any nonsense.]

Oh no! Tell me I'm not veering into Calvinism again!

Is that suppose to be witty?

Stop posting me such inane dribble.

[Petronski]

I did not in #750 state that you falsely accused me of being a Catholic.

I said “rejected the free grace of God for the works of men.”

That was and remains FALSE.

[fortheDeclaration]

You are telling me what Jean Cauvin claims the Bible says.

The Bible is very clear in those passages.

Stop blaming Calvin for your own damnation.

[Petronski]

I intend to reply when I reply.

Whether you want to stop losing an argument is of no consequence to me.

[Petronski]

...for your own damnation.

You attempt again to make yourself God.

Ah, but the job is already taken.

[Petronski]

I said “rejected the free grace of God for the works of men.”

Should be:

I said you claimed I “rejected the free grace of God for the works of men.”

[papertyger]

You attempt again to make yourself God. Ah, but the job is already taken.

How quickly they forget.

What's the difference between a muslim claiming Christians worship three gods, and a Protestant claiming Catholics have traded grace for works?

Answer: Nothing.