Posted on 04/04/2008 11:01:22 AM PDT by Gamecock
***Thus, my statement. The Gospels are true because the Church says that they are.
Nice tagline, isn’t it?
It’s ok. Fake maybe but it sounds nice.***
Not fake, not maybe, but it sure does sound nice.
***In those things which are clearly laid down in Scripture, all those things are found which pertain to faith and morals. (De Doct. Chr. 2:9) ***
Very nice. And true.
***Whatever you hear from them [the Scriptures], let that be well received by you. Whatever is without them refuse, lest you wander in a cloud. (De Pastore, 11) ***
Including the role of the Church and the individuals in authority.
***All those things which in times past our ancestors have mentioned to be done toward mankind and have delivered unto us: all those things also which we see and deliver to our posterity, so far as they pertain to the seeking and maintaining true religion, the Holy Scripture has not passed over in silence. (Ep. 42) ***
No, the Church has no authority to abridge Scripture, a practice not adhered to by the Reformers.
***Whatever our Saviour would have us read of his actions and sayings he commanded his apostles and disciples, as his hands, to write. (De Consensu Evang. 1:ult.) ***
Including the role of the Church.
***Let them [the Donatists] demonstrate their church if they can, not by the talk and rumor of the Africans; not by the councils of their own bishops; not by the books of their disputers; not by deceitful miracles, against which we are cautioned by the word of God, but in the prescript of the law, in the predictions of the prophets, in the verses of the Psalms, in the voice of the Shepherd himself, in the preaching and works of the evangelists; that is, in all canonical authorities of the sacred Scriptures. (De Unit. Eccl. 16) ***
Augustine fought against the heretics better than we in this present age.
***He was a Catholic after all and was faithful to his Church unless they strayed from Scripture!***
Including the role of the Church.
***Remember, novel ideas such as the equality (actually superiority) of Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium hadn’t yet been invented.***
Actually they began shortly after Our Lord had been taken up in order to determine and definitively declare what the faith really is.
You seem to be saying that justifies falsely accusing "...the Church of complicity with genocidal regimes..."
That is not a 'false accusation', that is an historical fact.
The words are Scripture, the misinterpretation is Cauvin's.
No, the words speak for themselves.
The Lord's supper is simply a rememberance, nothing mystical about it.
It's not a claim. It is a fact. Catholicism makes very precise use of the language, those who study it must learn this precision.
You mean one has to learn it's distortion of language.
Nothing 'precise' about it, just renaming what God condemns.
God is not fooled.
Thank you, apology accepted.
Now for your penance pray three 'our Father's'...:>
It is a precise use of the language.
Did your friend Augustine say this; "Mary, springing from Adam, died because of sin; and the flesh of our Lord, derived from Mary, died to take away sin." (De Peccatorum Meritis, ii, c. 24).
Including the role of the Church.
This seems to be a favorite of yours. Please explain where the "role of the Church" was to invent new Tradition? Remember, this Tradition ended with the Apostles.
***Remember, novel ideas such as the equality (actually superiority) of Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium hadn’t yet been invented.***
Actually they began shortly after Our Lord had been taken up in order to determine and definitively declare what the faith really is.
Well... if your "shortly" means several hundred years I can't argue with you.
***I’ll try to make it simple.***
You’re too kind.
***Did Augustine ever say that the “individuals in authority” could make up things completely divorced from Scripture, never referenced in Scripture even in a manner which can be deduced from Scripture?***
Well, he firmly established the doctrines of the Trinity and Christology. In other words, yes.
The role of the Church is primarily to teach the Good News. In order for that to happen, it must a) define what the Good News is (and not what somebody comes up with in their immediate frame of mind or whim), and b) define what it isn’t.
The history of the Church is the increasing formulation of the faith in response to the lawyers and opportunists and even sometimes sincere individuals who, simply, get it wrong.
***Well... if your “shortly” means several hundred years I can’t argue with you.***
My shortly means during the time of Paul.
How do you define “pray?”
How do you define "pray"?
How do you define "could"?
How do you define "would"?
How very narrow of you.
ftD>Unlike Roman Catholic doctrine, it is based on scripture (1Cor.11).
P>The words are Scripture, the misinterpretation is Cauvin's.
ftD>No, the words speak for themselves.
ftD>The Lord's supper is simply a rememberance, nothing mystical about it.
703 posted on April 9, 2008 5:03:39 AM MDT by fortheDeclaration
Not only is it a remembrance, but a feast commanded by YHvH to be celebrated i.e. Passover
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
my understanding is that the sacraments, in and of themselves, do not bestow grace at all. God, and God alone, saves people and shows mercy to the sinners.
The sacraments are powerful tools that help a person stay on the right path and strengthen the Spirit. They are a way to bring the faithful closer to God.
The sacraments are a part of one’s journey, and a valuable tool, but they cannot bestow grace upon the wicked, no matter how many times one goes to communion,. In fact, to participate in Holy Communion, one must make sure that they go through confession, contrition and penance first to cleanse themself of sin.
Christian don't celebrate the Jewish holidays. (Col.2:16)
Yes, the word prayer can be used to describe an 'act of asking for a favor' (Web.1828), but Christ is the one who intercedes for us, not any phony Roman Catholic saint, not even a real saint (any saved individual who is now in heaven) and not Mary.
There is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. (1Tim.2:5)
As priests (1Pe.2:9) have direct access to God.
So, when you offer up prayers to statues, you are offering up prayers to devils, not God. (Lev.17:7)
Amen!
Thank you for sharing your own personal, deficient interpretation of Scripture.
And what is it about 1Ti.2:5 that you find confusing?
Nothing.
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