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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; Quix

I have a really serious question: Why can Catholics not just admit they worship Mary, give up all the wordplay and double talk and just admit it? Like Dr. Phil says, you can’t fix what you deny


883 posted on 04/07/2008 10:44:49 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings; madd dawg
[ I have a really serious question: Why can Catholics not just admit they worship Mary, give up all the wordplay and double talk and just admit it? Like Dr. Phil says, you can’t fix what you deny ]

The trick is in the word "worship"... What some see as worship others parse the concept.. LIKE; many prostestants actually WORSHIP THE BIBLE.. but would deny it to your face and huff and puff as they walked away from you calling you a moron.. BUT; they do nevertheless.. Doubletalk must cleaned up at home before you start cleaning up your neighbors house.. Nez Pas... Not all roman catholics (or EO) worship Mary and not all prosties worship the bible.. but doubtless some of both DO..

887 posted on 04/07/2008 10:59:34 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Why can Catholics not just admit they worship Mary ...?

To want that more than the truth is to prefer falsehood to reality.

I won't admit it because I don't do it. Why would anybody ask us to lie? Perhaps because lies is what he's familiar with, the land of lies is where he feels at home? Out here where we struggle to speak truthfully those who have some aversion to the truth feel anxious?

So an argument which leaves a Protestant momentarily without a real counter-argument and facts, I say again: FACTS, which disprove his contention are "wordplay"? Someone says, without evidence, that we make Mary the first born of Creation, and our saying we don't is a game?

How do YOU pronounce "blessedness", by the way?

How about if I say that some Protestant are unable to look at the truth about Catholics because their religion is based not on Jesus but on feeling superior to some despised group, namely Catholics? Shall we argue that looking too closely and carefully at what the Church teaches threatens the core of their faith in their own superiority, so they don't do it and when that facts are thrust in their face, they shut their eyes and start making personal remarks and characterizing the Church as being in denial?

Why not? It makes about as much sense as adducing Dr. Phil.

From this ad hominem attack of yours am I to conclude that you have no reasonable argument to make to the issues?

We've adduced some of the fundamental texts displaying the Church's teaching of Mary's utter dependence on God. Against those is made the claim, without any facts brought forward, that we think Mary is the first-born of Creation.

Truth evidently is not a value for many of those who argue against us.

888 posted on 04/07/2008 10:59:42 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
I have a really serious question:

Really? Is it a question, or a false witness masquerading as a question?

Why can Catholics not just admit they worship Mary

That would be a lie. You're asking why folks don't lie about themselves. That's beneath contempt. It's appalling that anyone would even ask the question you just asked.

893 posted on 04/07/2008 11:25:04 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Why can Catholics not just admit they worship Mary,

Actually, they do admit, they just won't admit that it is wrong.

They view it as indirectly worshiping God, the same reasoning that they use for praying at the feet of their 'statues' (idols)

926 posted on 04/07/2008 2:54:48 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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