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To: 1000 silverlings
Why can Catholics not just admit they worship Mary ...?

To want that more than the truth is to prefer falsehood to reality.

I won't admit it because I don't do it. Why would anybody ask us to lie? Perhaps because lies is what he's familiar with, the land of lies is where he feels at home? Out here where we struggle to speak truthfully those who have some aversion to the truth feel anxious?

So an argument which leaves a Protestant momentarily without a real counter-argument and facts, I say again: FACTS, which disprove his contention are "wordplay"? Someone says, without evidence, that we make Mary the first born of Creation, and our saying we don't is a game?

How do YOU pronounce "blessedness", by the way?

How about if I say that some Protestant are unable to look at the truth about Catholics because their religion is based not on Jesus but on feeling superior to some despised group, namely Catholics? Shall we argue that looking too closely and carefully at what the Church teaches threatens the core of their faith in their own superiority, so they don't do it and when that facts are thrust in their face, they shut their eyes and start making personal remarks and characterizing the Church as being in denial?

Why not? It makes about as much sense as adducing Dr. Phil.

From this ad hominem attack of yours am I to conclude that you have no reasonable argument to make to the issues?

We've adduced some of the fundamental texts displaying the Church's teaching of Mary's utter dependence on God. Against those is made the claim, without any facts brought forward, that we think Mary is the first-born of Creation.

Truth evidently is not a value for many of those who argue against us.

888 posted on 04/07/2008 10:59:42 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Against those is made the claim, without any facts brought forward, that we think Mary is the first-born of Creation.

I do not know what Protestant made such a claim, but it sounds like you are putting up a straw man argument.

What Christians disagree with Roman Catholics and their evaluation is that she was born without sin, and therefore equal to Christ in human perfection.

In fact, her 'immaculate conception' would have been a greater miracle than the Lord's virgin birth, since Mary was born in the normal way and yet without receiving the adamic sin nature which comes through the man.

924 posted on 04/07/2008 2:38:50 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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