Posted on 03/01/2008 2:39:29 AM PST by Zakeet
I was at the Impeachment Rally, as well.
Ann Coulter and Alan Keyes were great that day.
Not if covered with dark chocolate!!!! :0
I'd believe that. When I was in the Ph.D. program, I told my Mormon office mate that I really liked sharing an office with him because I wouldn't have to worry about him stealing my coffee.
They also don't think that D&C 132 is 'inspired'!
(By GOD at least!)
>>But sometime, Lord willing, I shall return to Nauvoos Mars Hill and testify the truth to whoever I may.
Fair enough as we send our missionaries to preach wherever Evangelicals live.
Actually there is one reason any FReeper worth their salt has to go to Nauvoo. For the collection of Browning guns (including his patents and machine gun) in the Browning gunsmith shop and home in Nauvoo. He was the most influntial inventor on modern weaponry and weapon systems in WWI and WWII. His patents were used in more weapon systems by the US military than any other inventor.
What I find interesting in this thread though is the fact that there is such ire raised over a threatening email while there is no mention of the circumstances of the Nauvoo exodus. Yes the SLC man is decidedly wrong and an idiot, especially for threatening a veteran.
For example, a 70 year old man was beaten to death on the steps of the original Nauvoo temple. He was left on the steps pleading for water for 2 days while he died from his head wounds. The mob wouldn't let anyone near him to help. The Winter Exodus occurred at gunpoint similar in manner to the Trail of Tears with a trail of blood left by the women and children in the snow. One woman crossed the river with her 2 and 4 year old, Then tied them to a tree so they wouldn't wander away and get lost while she went back accross the river to get her 6 year old. The historical record is plain on the atrocities committed against the Mormons there. Over 500 children ages 0-5 are buried at Winter Quarters Nebraska where they were forced to winter. Some anti-Mormons try to justify the actions against the Mormons with some arguments of moral equivalence. While there were wrongs committed on both sides any objective reader of history who cares to search the matter can find the truth.
Another example, some like to cite the fact that Smith destroyed a printing Press to show he was against Freedom of Speech. But they fail to mention the fact that a mob of non Mormons had already done it to the Mormons, tarring and feathering the printers and burning it down. They even took some potshots at young Mormon girls who ran away with some of the printing paper which the Doctrine and Covenants was printed on. Smith was wrong to destroy the press but it wasn't done in a vacuum.
>>>My wife just loves the old homes of the era, all the antique furnishings, etc. The fact that she didnt want to do the tourist thing, and walk through them, was a clear sign to me of just how upset she was to the sad deception that took place there, and still does.
The primary mission of the Nauvoo tour guides is not proselyting but strengthening the testimony of members. Of course they will promote the Church to non members but that is not their primary focus. They are considered service missionaries rather than proselyting ones. The young men in suits are the ones dedicated to full time proselyting.
I've found both the Mormons and non Mormons there to be pretty friendly. The rest of the country could learn a thing or two about good Midwestern Values and Courtesy. Good luck Preaching in Nauvoo.
Cleaning up monitor!!!???!!!! :0
Runnin’ in your wake ...
My wife was watching it on C-SPAN while I was there. She commented to me that "whoever that blond speaker was, she is beautiful."
There is a gourmet candy which features coffee beans in chocolate; can’t remember the name but even Wal-Mart carries them! The bitter and sweet are interesting together, but don’t eat too many, the buzz is a trumper!
Can't have them LDS, Inc. members learning OTHER things about the starting of their faith. They might just become an ANTI.
Ohhhh you bet cha!
Your first error is you are pre-supposing that Mormonism is Christian instead of the cult that it is. All Mormons follow a false prophet - Joseph Smith - and it is very Christian to expose False Prophets. Read Jude, especially the part where it says to "....contend earnestly for the faith...."
Your 2nd error is that non-Mormons have as much right to call a Mormon as follower of a false prophet as Mormons have the right to go door to door pronouncing all non-Mormons as being apostate. Unless of course evangelism is only allowed to be practiced BY Mormons and all evangelism which exposes the false prophecies of Smith is to be silenced??????
Let's see where's my copy of the U.S. Constitution particularly that 1st amendment clause ...............
**IIRC, there is a statue of pioneers by the river.**
Thanks for trying to find a pic, Elsie.
This may help get me over to Nauvoo sooner than planned! lol
IIRC, they were dapper dressed w/o hats with one gesturing across the river, and the other holding a monocular. I THINK one was supposed to be Young.
**..a 70 year old man was beaten to death..**
That’s terrible, but what’s the ‘rest of the story’? 70 years old is not too old to be criminal. I don’t approve of mob violence though.
I live near Monmouth, IL, where in 1841 Mr. Smith was brought before Judge Stephen Douglas for an extradition hearing on murder charges in Missouri. But Missouri couldn’t extradite him because the statute of limitations had run out.
My dad used to remind me, “Most of the problems we have, we bring on ourselves.”
I believe Mr. Smith was a victim of his own ‘cunning craftiness’ (Eph. 4:14). The historical records certainly fail to show him as a humble servant of God. The historical records do show him to have a thirst for power on this earth.
**I’ve found both the Mormons and non Mormons there to be pretty friendly.**
There’s nice folk everywhere. I’ve known a real sweet lady that is buddist, a super polite coworker that claims atheism. Yet, God sets the rules for entering into the kingdom of heaven.
**Good luck Preaching in Nauvoo.**
If God be for me, who can be against me! (that’s the key,...God).
Alternative, more likely explanation -- Hulse is a bitter mosquito who is not worthy of a swat....
An appropriate epitaph for you. Hold that thought....
Payback is hell.....
Blessed are the cheesemakers....
Alternative, more likely explanation -- Hulse is a bitter mosquito who is not worthy of a swat....
An appropriate epitaph for you. Hold that thought....
Payback is hell.....
Blessed are the cheesemakers....
Doctrine and Covenants Section 89 |
Revelation through Joseph Smith, Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. History of the Church 1:327-29.
1 A Word of Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion
2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days
3 Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.
4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation
5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man
11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.
12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground
17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
It would appear, given all the LDS INTERNAL disagreements over just what the above REALLY means,
that the Living Prophet® should AGAIN petition the Lord for clarification of the matter.
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