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Posted on 02/16/2008 3:13:15 PM PST by restornu
Fortunately, WE DON’T HAVE TO DEFEND ANYTHING TO YOU!
Just a passing cloud of methane gas.
At least I know the difference between suit and suite. You really are in a cloud of darkness.
Wondering when you were going to see that. Good for you - but very very slow.
The source is there for anyone who wants to learn more about the Church!
There is nothing in the Church Standard Works that contradict the Lord word or his Scriptures.
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e419fb40e21cef00VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD
http://www.fairlds.org/links.html
My attacks are mild with some here who want to compare the LDS as SOP.
I have been on these sites for many years and I can say this is the worst crop of those who call them “Christians” I ever come across, none of you show any reverence or humility and get off bash the LDS thinking you scored brownie points with the Lord.
None here want to discuss so many just want to tear down, and heaven for bit you should compare what we have in common, so many could not afford that, it might invite the Spirit of Lord and than one could not bash the LDS in good faith!
I have come across many in the mainstream who have the light of Christ in their life and would never think of letting the things that come out of many of your mouths.
Can’t converse too much with folks who have no tolerance for any one but themselves!
A brief summary of the conversations of this thread:
“You think prophets are higher than Christ.”
“No, we believe Christ is the Savior.”
“No, you follow prophets, not Christ.”
“We follow Christ.”
“Nuh-uh! You worship prophets!”
“No, we don’t! We worship Christ, not prophets!”
“See? You worship prophets! Stop lying!”
“No, we don’t!”
“Yes, you do, cultist!”
“Nuh-uh!”
“Yuh-huh!”
...yada, yada, yada...
Well, I’ve had enough of playing with the belligerent children who have hijacked this thread. Regards to all.
Was busy doing other things. Of course, it took you a while to figure out what I was saying. Did you have to check your dictionary? Or do you not believe in dictionaries?
IOW, you’ve haven’t reinforced what you said in #389, and you didn’t address my thoughts on that same wave length (from #617, which means you still need to address those]
Anyway, this is EXACTLY what happens either…
(a) …when one of us doesn’t keep track of our own posts on a long thread [and if this is what happened, I understand…it’s tough for me as well to keep my past posts straight]
(b) …or, I suppose if I wanted to castigate the worst possible motive, the only other possibility I could see if (a) above isn’t so, would be to accuse you of bait & switch tactics...where one post you're talking about revelation in a "narrow" sense and then when you know you can't defend Mormonism on that ground, you open it up to talk about revelation in the "broadest" possible sense.
Knowing of your general good will, I’ll assume that it was (a) above. My qualifier in this, tho, is that 1 or 2 LDS folks have done some similar bait & switch tactics on this exact same topic which has made me a bit leary.
Allow me to summarize what I mean, and then backtrack to document our exchange : You made this broad sweeping indictment of “Christendom” that it doesn’t “believe that God still speaks to His people.” When you said this, I thought, “Tantiboh couldn’t possibly be talking about the ‘bulk of Christendom’ because the bulk of Christendom indeed believes God still speaks to His people. (They believe this thru (a) answered prayer; (b) folks who prophesy via a spiritual gift as recorded in 1 Cor. 12; (c) thru His written Word; (d) thru His Living Word, Jesus Christ; e) thru other people...a good chunk of Christendom would even add (f) dreams, etc.)
Now I was in a hurry when I responded in 617 & didn’t include b, c, or d, e or f then…but even on (a) alone you know that what you said isn’t true. Therefore, I thought you couldn’t possibly be talking about “revelation” in the broadest possible view. You could only be talking about revelation in the “narrow” view—revelation that is imbedded in Scripture…for that’s the only type of revelation in which the “bulk of Christendom” has closed the door on. Since I couldn’t imagine you making a bald-face outrageous lie if you were indeed talking about “revelation” in the broadest sense, I answered back dealing with “revelation” in the narrow sense…I was essentially saying “OK hotshot. You want to slam ‘Christendom’ for how it treats God as ‘speaker’—let’s see what words the Mormon god as ‘speaker’ has been placed in LDS ‘Scriptures?’"
To refresh your memory, here’s what you said in post #389: We believe in an open canon. God continues to speak. If He gives new light and knowledge that the membership of the Church finds sufficiently precious to include in our scriptures, it will be included. The last time this happened was 1918 (some would argue 1978). Some think that the Proclamation to the World could appropriately be called “Section 139, pending.” Unlike the bulk of Christendom, we believe that God still speaks to His people, as He has always done. It’s a pity most people don’t choose to listen.
To sum up, you addressed (1) Open canon. (2) Revelations sufficiently precious to include in our scriptures. (3) That which was added to LDS Scriptures in declaration form. (4) Your slam against the Christian church: Unlike the bulk of Christendom, we believe that God still speaks to His people, as He has always done
Now compare your approach in 389 to those in 638/825: You go from talking about …
(a)…“open canons” in 389 to non-canonic revelations in 638 & 825…
(b)…revelations sufficiently precious to include in our scriptures in 389 to ongoing daily administrative type revelations in 638 ( Revelation is ongoing. It is operative continuously in the day-to-day direction of the Church. ) and 825 (Revelation is a pretty regular thing)
( c ) … a “Christendom” that doesn’t believe that God still speaks to His people in 389 –essentially critiquing us for not adding to the Bible—to defending the LDS Church for not adding to its own LDS “Scriptures” in 638 & 825. (IOW, precious few things have “made the cut” (post-Joseph Smith).
Talk about not staying within the confines of the direction you took the exchange! [And again, for someone less sincere than your track record, this would be classic bait & switch tactics]
So, allow me to repost #617. Please address it from the same angles you covered in #389 (open canon, revelations sufficiently precious to include in your Scriptures, that which was added in declaration form vs. revelational form, and your claim that Christendom denies that God still speaks to His people). Here it is:
Overextension. Ask most Christians if they believe, for example, if God answers prayers...they'll say "yes"...Mormons believe this too, calling this "personal revelation") On the other hand, care to tell us all exactly how many times since Smith has died that an LDS "prophet"... (a)...heard something from God... (b)...started the "canonization" process themselves... (c)...called it a "revelation" from God (and not some major social issues "declaration")? I think the "answer" is 0 times, is it not? (Wow! Some great importance it is to have that Amos 3:7 man @ the helm, eh?) [Post #617]
Good grief! I gotta go back and follow this thread tomorrow when I’ve had some sleep, but it looks interesting.
Are you the appointed Mormon spell checker Prophet?
Nope, I only hold the callings of husband, father, home teacher and Temple worker.
If they performed an EEG on my parents and compared it to yours, I'm pretty sure that their brains would register more activity than yours.
(From the LDS hymn book)
“As I have loved you,
Love one another.
This new commandment;
Love one another.
By this shall men know
Ye are my disciples,
If ye have love
One to another.”
It is really hard sometimes, especially on this site. Sheeesh.
I wish they’d go pick on the Mennonites for a while.
Love ya, Sis
So are you one of those Anti-Mennonites?
How you feeling, Sis? Many have been praying for you.
Now . . . you said, “If you believe it, defend it, but don’t deny it.”
I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He is my Savior, Redeemer and Personal Friend. There is so much doctrine to be debated and debated and debated - LDS and all other Churches. It is not about the doctrine. It is about Jesus Christ, our Savior. Nothing else really matters.
However, since you obviously do not agree - and you are not alone - that Jesus Christ and His Atoning Sacrifice is the main focus of our LDS faith, then we are wasting valuable time and effort.
God bless you.
I am not anti Mennonite. I think they are cool. They believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and our Redeemer and Savior. That’s all I need to know. You, on the other hand, might be interested to know that Mennonites are often seen marching in those “peace” rallies. They are non violent to a stupid degree. But as I said, they believe in Jesus which is all I care about when it comes to faith.
You're starting to dissemble like Hinckley.
A more appropriate phrase for me to have used would have been “Church philosophy.”
The Biblical term is "Doctrines of Demons".
Enough of this, though. I don’t expect your agenda here is any more than to convince yourself that Mormonism is wrong.
My quest is to get Mormons to give straightforward answers to straightforward questions so that lurkers can see for themselves what it is that the Mormon Church REALLY believes. I long ago was convinced that Mormonism is a false religion and that its peculiar doctrines are demonic.
I choose not to aid you any more with that.
I don't need any help from you. But you have been quite helpful in showing the ability of Mormons to dissemble about their doctrines, pretending that they have the fullness of the gospel, when in fact they have nothing more than a demonic perversion of the gospel wherein God is nothing more than an exalted man who became a God after being obedient to the laws and ordinances of the God who came before him.. Even as a philosophy, that is blasphemous.
There is nothing new under the sun:
Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. (Jeremiah 14:14 KJV)
If that is all that is important, then why don't you join the Presbyterian Church? Why do your missionaries go to Christian countries and try to convert catholics and protestants to Mormonism. Don't those churches teach belief in Jesus? Why would they need or even want to become Mormons?
Well, if they spawned you, there might well be no activity there. I hear that intelligence is genetically related.
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