I want to.
It's on my list, along with "No Country for Old Men"
O Brother... them Coen boys know HOW to make a movie!!
We thought....
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Posted on 02/16/2008 3:13:15 PM PST by restornu
You've inferred that I can't read.
I obviously need help 'clarifyin'.
Would you help a lurker?
Did you see “There will be Blood” (Daniel Day-Lewis) ???
I watched a bit of it the other night
Paul Dano plays a Messiah-like leader of a church and his demands and threats etc reminded me of Joseph Smith...
I have read the entire sermon. Joseph’s “I’m greater than Jesus” remark was not taken out of context.
Furthermore, it was not in the manner of the Apostle Paul's "literary tactic," nor was it in the manner of the Apostle Paul's "literary intent." In fact, the Apostle Paul's tactic and intent was to ensure that the people, who made up the Corinthian church, would not turn aside from Christ and the gospel of Christ.
Furthermore, 2nd Corinthians, where Paul "boasts" about his knowledge, among other things, was but to convince the people of Corinthians that he was indeed a person of authority who should be esteemed only BECAUSE he was preaching the true gospel of Christ.
Furthermore, if one first reads 1st Corinthians, Paul had already admonished this group of people to stop basing their beliefs upon persons and personalities, and actually debased himself in an effort to have them focus on Christ. Indeed, the foundation for our beliefs should be IN CHRIST.
For example, in 1st Corinthians, Paul writes:
11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you.And, in his first letter to Timothy, Paul writes:
12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ."
13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
15 that no many should say you were baptized in my name.
17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, that the cross of Christ should not be made void.23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles, foolishness,
24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.1st Corinthians 2:
2 For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
4 And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.
1 Timothy 2:
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires that all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time.
7 And for this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
Good idea...I use ebay a lot, for certain items, that I am interested in, but for some reason, had not considered it, when looking for an old hymnal...dont know why I did not consider this....many thanks for this suggestion...I will try it out later tonite...nothing would make me happier, than finding one of those old Methodist hymnals...what I really liked about some that old Methodist hymnal, is that when a particular song had more than one melody associated with it, down through time, the old hymnal would present all the different melodies...the newer hymnal just picked one of the melodies and went with that...
Thanks for your link as well...
A few points. First, it’s important to remember that a revelation does not have to be canonized into scripture to be a revelation. However, since we’re talking about canonization here, we’ll stick with it.
You are correct that sections 137 and 138 were not added to the published Doctrine and Covenants until the 1981 edition. I actually did not know that.
What I am confused about is your insistence that a prophet initiate proceedings to canonize his own revelations. From the point of view of a prophet, revelation is a pretty regular thing; some have provided doctrinal exposition that has been deemed valuable, and such have been shared with the Church as such. Section 138, for example, was received on October 3, 1918, announced to the Church on the 4th, subsequently written in its entirety, and then presented to the Apostles and a few others and accepted unanimously. I do not know, but I would presume it then enjoyed widespread circulation to the members in Church publications.
I do not grasp why you see the fact that it failed to “make the cut” into the Doctrine and Covenants until later in the century as significant. The doctrine was still taught to the contemporary Church as revelation.
One of my favorite friends was Claude W. Brown of McCamey, Texas. CW was a grade school dropout from Beaumont who left home as a preteen to work as a hand in the oil fields. He eventually would up in West Texas as the owner of a pipe yard. After making a ton of money in that business, he reinvested his fortune in hydrocarbon exploration. In the process, he discovered eight major oil fields, made several more tons of money, and was eventually inducted into the Permian Basin Museum's Hall of Fame.
CW Brown was an intensely religious man who served on the national board of the Methodist Church, went on dozens of missions trips to Latin America, and gave virtually every cent he ever earned to Christ -- especially to McMurry University in Abilene, Texas. In turn, they awarded him an honorary doctorate, for which he was extremely proud. His list of other accomplishments would go on for several pages.
One day, while having breakfast with Dr. Brown, I asked him what he regarded as his greatest achievement.Dr. Brown went on to provide some additional details of his project. Apparently the Methodist Hymnal was so out of date at the time that, "Even I could tell it was bad." Using his position on the executive board and influence within the organization, Dr. Brown set up a committee, selected its members and went to work.Dr. Brown immediately said, "I rewrote the Methodist hymnbook."
I replied, "I didn't know you had musical training."
Dr. Brown said, "I don't. In fact, I can't read a single note. That's why it was such an accomplishment!"
I then asked Dr. Brown how he got suckered into that kind of an assignment.
Dr. Brown answered with, "I didn't. I volunteered. It was a job that needed to be done, so I did it.
I've thought about that incident many times over the years. And needless to say, Dr. Brown's statement has been one of my life's philosophies.
It appears from your recollection of your days in the Methodist Church, Brown's committee was never completely disbanded.
~”But NOT “Amazing Grace!””~
That may be... but we do have “I Believe in Christ.” Never was a better psalm written to glorify God and proclaim the divinity of the Savior.
Does this mean you are not going to answer my questions?
People can be born in the Church but they still need to gain a testimony personal testimony by the power of the Holy Ghost elsewise they continue to process through the world filters.
Does this mean you are not going to answer my questions?
Many will try to deny this but it is self evident
Does this mean you are not going to answer my questions?
In name only in your teen age years there are things I have read in the past of things you think was taught reveals you processed things through the natural man's filters.
Does this mean you are not going to answer my questions?
People can be born in the Church but they still need to gain a testimony personal testimony by the power of the Holy Ghost elsewise they continue to process through the world filters.
Does this mean you are not going to answer my questions?
Many will try to deny this but it is self evident.
Does this mean you are not going to answer my questions?
Joseph Smith Translation |
1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. |
King James Version |
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. |
Oh; I see. It's REAL clear, now!
I'd always wondered where the JW's got THEIR inspiration for the New World Translation:
John 1:1
Originally the Word was,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was a god.
Thank you for admitting he DID use the Seer Stone.
~”What you believe is not a secret.”~
No, it’s not. And, yet, people like you are consistently driven to embellish it. It boggles the mind.
Joseph Smith said he’s superior to Christ, who is God, and the disciples that Christ picked to be His disciples, the very ones He entrusted to go out into “all the world” and preach His Gospel? My word!!
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Jim Jones did much the same thing
he started out preaching from the Bible and then spurned the Bible like Joseph Smith did
and preached about himself..just like Joseph Smith did...
You have LDS parents and family ask them !:)
I want to.
It's on my list, along with "No Country for Old Men"
O Brother... them Coen boys know HOW to make a movie!!
We thought....
God shall not be mocked.
~”...but I can’t help finding some of the more ecstatic utterances of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young impossible to defend.”~
From time to time, I agree with you.
It helps me to remember that they preached in a time when it was the culture to give a fiery sermon. With no air conditioning, I suppose it’s the only way you could keep your people awake.
Smith and Young sometimes said things that we would consider over the top. That is a far cry from saying things that are doctrinally incorrect.
BEFORE it was 'scripture'?
Yes Honey; we SHOULD have told you sooner; but we didn't know if you could handle it:
You ARE adopted.
The Bucket List is good
I cried at the end...
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
(I forgot..I’m supposed to be hateful and cold-hearted)
For a man Elsie, your demeanor displays in all the years you been post about the LDS shows that you can be cattier than women who have a tendency to be catty.
You might want to see your doctor for male Harmon shots!
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