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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Your mangling of Scripture is inconsequential to it's true meaning. The puppet master god of Calvin is a week bully, a child who creates and destroys for no reason other than his amusement. It is not the God of Scripture.

From the Catechism:

Idolatry

2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them."42 God, however, is the "living God"43 who gives life and intervenes in history.

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast"45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.46

2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. The commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man's innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who "transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God."47

89 posted on 01/28/2008 12:45:02 PM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: conservonator; Gamecock; Quix; Lord_Calvinus; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; wmfights; HarleyD; ...
The puppet master god of Calvin is a week bully

lol. "Week?" I try to read him daily. No one knew as much Scripture or the depths of Rome's deceit as did Calvin.

Calvin was just a fallen creature like the rest of us who understood, by the grace of God alone, that Rome had strayed so far from Scripture as to be unrecognizable as the church of God on earth.

And now, thankfully, we all can see how Rome and its Catechism continues to contradict itself from 969 to 2112, which of course is the problem. The RCC says one thing and does another. And sometimes it says both things.

Bible-believing Christians aren't fooled.

If a man kneels to a statue of some dead person, and prays to a statue of some dead person, and asks for guidance and benefits and mediation and intercession and grace and redemption from some dead person...well that looks an awful like like anti-Scriptural idolatry.

At least for those with eyes to see.

And yes, we know we are to make "intercessions" for all our fellow men. That means we are to pray for one another while we are on hearth; no praying to dead people, which is necromancy and explicitly forbidden in God's word.

"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:15-20

And I'll pray for all those who ignore these verses or fail to understand the depth of the error of thinking anyone or anything is a mediator, intercessor, benefactress or advocate between God and man other than Christ Jesus.

Read your Bible and know the truth.

95 posted on 01/28/2008 1:11:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: conservonator; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Quix; Lord_Calvinus; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; wmfights; ...
The puppet master god of Calvin is a week bully, a child who creates and destroys for no reason other than his amusement. It is not the God of Scripture. From the Catechism: ... Idolatry ...

I note that when you want to back up your claim that Calvin's God is not the God of Scripture you turn to the Catechism, not Scripture. Interesting.

In any event, the author of the article does not comment so much on what the official position of your Church is via the Catechism. Instead, he relates what he saw with his own eyes in terms of actual PRACTICE by Catholics. Would it be true that a "good" Catholic, or a Catholic in "good standing" would not spit in the face of a holding of the Catechism? That is, I take it to mean that if those the author observed really were bowing down to graven images, that you would say they were "bad" Catholics, is that right? Their practices would not reflect the teaching of the Church. Let's see how that works out. From the Catechism:

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. 158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:159

I hope we wouldn't have to argue over how well this is observed among the Catholic faithful. So AGAIN, on the one hand we have the teaching of the Church, and way over on the other side we have the actual practice of Catholics. The author of the article was obviously talking about the latter, what he saw with his own eyes. Therefore, your argument that if the Church teaches it then it is followed by the laity doesn't hold water.

BTW, who is "the Church" to you? I get confused all the time when talking to Catholics about this. Some say that means the hierarchy in the ivory towers alone, and some say it is all Catholics. I think we just saw how it cannot be said that "the Church" accepts the Catechism if "the Church" includes the laity. (That's not to mention that "the Church" would also reject the Pope by the same criterion.)

190 posted on 01/28/2008 9:46:45 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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