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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; blue-duncan; irishtenor; Kolokotronis; ...
Kosta: God did not create him (Satan) evil.

Dr. EL Read the Bible, Kosta. "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him...--John 8:44

From which beginning (αρχη) was that, Dr. E?

Is it that of John 1:1 en arch hn o logoV, kai o logoV hn proV ton qeon, kai qeoV hn o logoV?

Are you saying Satan was evil from the eternal "beginning" by God's design? Did Satan exist alongside the Word? (LDS will be clapping!)

Or was it from Gen 1:1 εν αρχη εποιησεν ο θεος τον ουρανον και την γην?

Or are yu saying from the "beginning" of the creation? Are you suggesting, God created Satan as evil before He created the world? Where is scriptural evidence of that? The OT doesn't treat ha-satan as evil.

The verse in John 8:44 you quote says that the devil was the murder form the beginning. This beginning is understood, as the Church always did, as the beginning of his fall, not the beginning of his existence (creation), and that Satan fell all on his own and by his choice, and not by design.

So, no, God did not create Satan evil. God is not the source of evil, else He would have to be evil Himself.

But rest assured that the devil wants all of us to believe that God is evil and that such ideas can only come from the father of all lies.

So according to you, God changes His very essence from the Old to the New Testament

No, the perception of God changes from Zeus-like to Christ.

Do you have any Scripture that says God has changed? Because God doesn't change. God changes men.

God doesn't change. Our perception of God does.

5,171 posted on 04/26/2008 10:26:19 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodox is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; blue-duncan; irishtenor; 1000 silverlings; Quix
"From the beginning" is not "from the fall" or else Scripture would have said "from the fall" and not "from the beginning."

And if, as you theorize, Satan was created "good" but then he fell, how is Satan any different than Adam?

Or you or me?

Is Satan just some reprobate who chooses to sin?

No wonder the EO has a difficult time defining evil and men's fallen nature.

5,172 posted on 04/26/2008 10:55:39 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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