[kosta50]

After all, FK is correct; all men are evil when born

Prove it!

It is impossible for us to know the faith of any man, including infants, save our own

Infants have faith! LOL! Or maybe the Reformed God justmakes a suitable "crop" of infants that are saved, just as he does adults, and the rest are fire logs...

Remember, it was the Catholic Church that believed (at least at one time) in original sin. The Eastern Church never believed it. Arguing in support of the Orthodox position is simply to deny the original teachings of the Western Church

The Catholic Church, as far as I know, teaches that we are born with the consequences of the original sin (propensity to sin), not with the "guilt."

The Orthodox Church does not deny the original (ancestral) sin. It doesn't (and never did) teach the Augustinian idea of the orignal sin.

[stfassisi]

“”The Catholic Church, as far as I know, teaches that we are born with the consequences of the original sin (propensity to sin), not with the “guilt.”””

Correct

from the Catechism

405 Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence”. Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

Thus we should understand

Reflecting theologically on the salvation of infants who die without baptism, the church respects the hierarchy of truths and therefore begins by clearly reaffirming the primacy of Christ and his grace, which has priority over Adam and sin. Jesus Christ, in his existence for us and in the redemptive power of his sacrifice, died and rose again for all. By his whole life and teaching, he revealed the fatherhood of God and his universal love.
(from Catholic Culture)

We entrust the infants to the mercy of God who is Love.

The infants are in the category of the Holy Innocents

[HarleyD]

HD-After all, FK is correct; all men are evil when born

Kosta-Prove it!

All one has to do is look around at the world but that not withstanding the scriptures tells so. Please remember that John states, "If we say we have no sin, we make Him a liar and the truth is not in us." Seems pretty inclusive.

Infants have faith! LOL! Or maybe the Reformed God justmakes a suitable "crop" of infants that are saved,

Ah before you doubt please consider this passage:
1Ki 14:1 At that time Abijah the son of Jeroboam fell sick.
1Ki 14:2 And Jeroboam said to his wife, Arise, I pray thee, and disguise thyself, that thou be not known to be the wife of Jeroboam; and get thee to Shiloh: behold, there [is] Ahijah the prophet, which told me that [I should be] king over this people.
1Ki 14:3 And take with thee ten loaves, and cracknels, and a cruse of honey, and go to him: he shall tell thee what shall become of the child. ...

1Ki 14:12 Arise thou therefore, get thee to thine own house: [and] when thy feet enter into the city, the child shall die.
1Ki 14:13 And all Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him: for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found [some] good thing toward the LORD God of Israel in the house of Jeroboam.

One of the child of Jeroboam found favor with the Lord. The others did not.

The Catholic Church, as far as I know, teaches that we are born with the consequences of the original sin (propensity to sin), not with the "guilt."

According to stfassisi's Catechism it states,
"It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence”.

I would agree with this catechism, original sin is the inclination to sin. This inclination is evil and is consistent with the scriptures that "No one does what is right; not one". As FK, countless Reformers, and me have stated many times, man seeks to do those things that are contrary to God's will. This IS the Augustinian idea of sin.

The Orthodox do not believe that man is tainted or that man is "inclined" to sin. Instead they believe he can choose to sin or not to sin. This belief runs counter to this Catechism and the western father's teaching on the subject.