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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ Then his freedom is faux freedom. It's a charade. He is led to believe that he has freedom but God didn't tell him the whole truth—that his choices have been "preordained." He is under the impression that he is free to choose, and yet he is not. He is deceived. ]

If God(Jesus) can see the past, preset, and future.. Then, "Pre-ordained" is a moot concept.. because what "is to be" is observable to God.. as if it already happened.. i.e. the three cock crowing.. In THAT sense pre-ordained is valid.. Then, how far back and how far forward can this concept be extrapolated?.. to infinity?..

Whether something is pre-ordained OR Not is not observable to humans.. in this dimension.. easily except by prophecy.. Thats the wonder of prophecy.. the pre-ordained aspect of it.. How could prophecy even happen were it not for pre-ordination.. Were the prophets urinating up a rope or tapped into the future?..

4,607 posted on 03/30/2008 12:54:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
If God(Jesus) can see the past, preset, and future.. Then, "Pre-ordained" is a moot concept.. because what "is to be" is observable to God.. as if it already happened.. i.e. the three cock crowing

Yes, God "sees" the future, but the question is does he decide what we will decide (in which case it's not our decision) or does he know what choices we will make on our own? It's one thing to see all our choices "here and now" and it's an altogether different thing to determine without us what choices we will make.

4,610 posted on 03/30/2008 1:33:27 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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