[kosta50]

If God(Jesus) can see the past, preset, and future.. Then, "Pre-ordained" is a moot concept.. because what "is to be" is observable to God.. as if it already happened.. i.e. the three cock crowing

Yes, God "sees" the future, but the question is does he decide what we will decide (in which case it's not our decision) or does he know what choices we will make on our own? It's one thing to see all our choices "here and now" and it's an altogether different thing to determine without us what choices we will make.

[hosepipe]

[ Yes, God "sees" the future, but the question is does he decide what we will decide (in which case it's not our decision) or does he know what choices we will make on our own? ]

Going in circles Eh!.. I admit its hard to play what if I knew the future.. Hint: You can watch the present happen while seeing the future happen before it happens.. while knowing the past.. Would be like watching a video tape. or DVD...

Little wonder whats normal with God is freaky tri-partite linear timing with man.. Come to think of it.. The history of mankind might on rewindable "tape" in "heaven".. making it possible to study any period in intimate past, present , future detail.. Could be a "perk" in the SPiritual Dimension..