Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; MarkBsnr; betty boop; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg
So we see both predestination and free will in Jesus’ words to Peter. He knows what Peter will do and what shall happen to him – but reveals by the "if/then" that Peter has the freedom of movement to love Jesus – or not - and thus to feed His sheep (in the power of the words of God) - or not

Then his freedom is faux freedom. It's a charade. He is led to believe that he has freedom but God didn't tell him the whole truth—that his choices have been "preordained." He is under the impression that he is free to choose, and yet he is not. He is deceived.

And Christian God does not deceive. Those who say that Peter was made to believe he was free to choose are saying God decieved, indeed lied to Peter. Just as those who claim that Christ did not die on the Cross are saying that Christ decieved the world into believing he did die on the cross.

That's Santa Klaus theology, with a twist.

4,603 posted on 03/30/2008 12:02:36 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4598 | View Replies ]


To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[ Then his freedom is faux freedom. It's a charade. He is led to believe that he has freedom but God didn't tell him the whole truth—that his choices have been "preordained." He is under the impression that he is free to choose, and yet he is not. He is deceived. ]

If God(Jesus) can see the past, preset, and future.. Then, "Pre-ordained" is a moot concept.. because what "is to be" is observable to God.. as if it already happened.. i.e. the three cock crowing.. In THAT sense pre-ordained is valid.. Then, how far back and how far forward can this concept be extrapolated?.. to infinity?..

Whether something is pre-ordained OR Not is not observable to humans.. in this dimension.. easily except by prophecy.. Thats the wonder of prophecy.. the pre-ordained aspect of it.. How could prophecy even happen were it not for pre-ordination.. Were the prophets urinating up a rope or tapped into the future?..

4,607 posted on 03/30/2008 12:54:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4603 | View Replies ]

To: kosta50; hosepipe; MarkBsnr; betty boop; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg
Then his freedom is faux freedom. It's a charade. He is led to believe that he has freedom but God didn't tell him the whole truth—that his choices have been "preordained." He is under the impression that he is free to choose, and yet he is not. He is deceived.

To the contrary, God does not lie.

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; - Titus 1:2

Moreover, a thing is true because God says it.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. – Genesis 1:3

For the word of the LORD [is] right; and all his works [are done] in truth. He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. For he spake, and it was [done]; he commanded, and it stood fast. – Psalms 33:4-9

When one insists that "free will" and "predestination" are mutually exclusive, he is anthropomorphizing God by applying mortal rules of logic - things that are part of the Creation - to the Creator.

God reveals the end from the beginning.

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:9-10

And He also gives us commandments and if/thens such as this commandment with a promise attached.

Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. - Deut 5:16

Only mortal reasoning would presume that they must be mutually exclusive.

Will we never learn? Even wave/particle duality stands as evidence against such presumptions.

Love God. Believe Him. Trust Him.

To God be the glory!

4,633 posted on 03/30/2008 10:16:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4603 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson