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To: blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; wmfights; kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
“”Classic liberalism was individualistic, stressing individual freedom and limited government. It elevated individual freedom over the group, whether it be the government or the church. It championed freedom of thought.””

Dear Brother,this is a good explanation.

I would add..

Liberalism is grounded in pride of self. It is the elevation of self proclaimed knowledge above humility and the will of God in the name of personal freedom.

It is NOT true freedom he is gaining,but rather the error to separate himself from God for that false personal freedom.

The first liberals were Adam and Eve when they ate of the tree.

Christ died for our sins and founded the Church to set boundaries and give us rules for us to follow so that we might not fall into the idea of this false freedom again.

4,460 posted on 03/25/2008 7:20:30 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
I will give you that about modern Liberalism, so-called, but not about "liberal" as in "of or pertaining to freedom". I think the resuscitation of TRUE liberalism in the west by such as Albert, Aquinas,Erasmus, More, Mirandola, and even Montaigne (much later) affirms the God-given dignity of humanity and that the crown of that dignity is obedience to God.

Modern pseudo-liberalism is more about license than freedom and wants everything to be okay and immediately displays the impossibility of that desire by coming down with viciousness, repression, and slaughter on anyone who disagrees or whose existence is inconvenient.

4,464 posted on 03/25/2008 7:41:47 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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