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To: Mad Dawg; wmfights; stfassisi; Forest Keeper

“Liberalism always seeks to subordinate the individual in the name of the group.”

Classic liberalism was individualistic, stressing individual freedom and limited government. It elevated individual freedom over the group, whether it be the government or the church. It championed freedom of thought.


4,441 posted on 03/24/2008 5:59:12 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; wmfights; stfassisi; Forest Keeper
Classic liberalism was individualistic, stressing individual freedom and limited government.

Sure if we want to go back 200 years or so.

The liberalism of today is the stateist model in which any and every problem is solved by the state and the group identity is more important than individual identity.

4,442 posted on 03/24/2008 6:05:19 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: blue-duncan; Mad Dawg; wmfights; kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
“”Classic liberalism was individualistic, stressing individual freedom and limited government. It elevated individual freedom over the group, whether it be the government or the church. It championed freedom of thought.””

Dear Brother,this is a good explanation.

I would add..

Liberalism is grounded in pride of self. It is the elevation of self proclaimed knowledge above humility and the will of God in the name of personal freedom.

It is NOT true freedom he is gaining,but rather the error to separate himself from God for that false personal freedom.

The first liberals were Adam and Eve when they ate of the tree.

Christ died for our sins and founded the Church to set boundaries and give us rules for us to follow so that we might not fall into the idea of this false freedom again.

4,460 posted on 03/25/2008 7:20:30 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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