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To: Mad Dawg
[ (Darn, I feel I didn't make my point too well here ...) ]

Yes you did.. The Pope is just a man.. needing the Holy Spirit just like us all.. and can be WRONG... God bless the Pope.. if he(God) has a mind to.. While I'm at it, God bless ME...

3,440 posted on 03/03/2008 12:16:55 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
The Pope is just a man.. needing the Holy Spirit just like us all.. and can be WRONG.

And most definitely can sin. But that's clear from the evidence.

3,441 posted on 03/03/2008 12:46:44 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: hosepipe; stfassisi; Alamo-Girl
The Pope is just a man.. needing the Holy Spirit just like us all.. and can be WRONG... God bless the Pope.. if he(God) has a mind to..

All of the above is true hosepipe. Yet we Catholics hold that, on questions of faith and morals, the Vicar of Christ on Earth is infallible.

This is because he, a mere human being, is called and consecrated to the Holy Church that Christ gathers to himself on earth. As occupant of the Throne of Saint Peter, the Holy Spirit constantly attends him, and by His Grace, sees that he is not misled into the snares of untruth.

Picking up on something you've said around here recently, I know you regard the "sheepfold" of John 10 as a sort of "pen" or "prison"; and that you regard this as a metaphor for organized churches. I regard the passage as referring to the place wherein the "sheep" are in maximum safety -- safety from roaming predators, from natural (and unnatural) crises of all kinds....

The Good Shepherd does not want to throw His sheep into the slammer! He wants us to be safe.... And those sheep who know the Voice of the Shepherd, and follow Him, are safe.

Yet as Christ says, "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."

Evidently, we are not quite there yet....

3,443 posted on 03/03/2008 3:26:43 PM PST by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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