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To: hosepipe; stfassisi; Alamo-Girl
The Pope is just a man.. needing the Holy Spirit just like us all.. and can be WRONG... God bless the Pope.. if he(God) has a mind to..

All of the above is true hosepipe. Yet we Catholics hold that, on questions of faith and morals, the Vicar of Christ on Earth is infallible.

This is because he, a mere human being, is called and consecrated to the Holy Church that Christ gathers to himself on earth. As occupant of the Throne of Saint Peter, the Holy Spirit constantly attends him, and by His Grace, sees that he is not misled into the snares of untruth.

Picking up on something you've said around here recently, I know you regard the "sheepfold" of John 10 as a sort of "pen" or "prison"; and that you regard this as a metaphor for organized churches. I regard the passage as referring to the place wherein the "sheep" are in maximum safety -- safety from roaming predators, from natural (and unnatural) crises of all kinds....

The Good Shepherd does not want to throw His sheep into the slammer! He wants us to be safe.... And those sheep who know the Voice of the Shepherd, and follow Him, are safe.

Yet as Christ says, "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."

Evidently, we are not quite there yet....

3,443 posted on 03/03/2008 3:26:43 PM PST by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for sharing your testimony and insights, dearest sister in Christ!
3,448 posted on 03/03/2008 8:43:34 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
[ The Good Shepherd does not want to throw His sheep into the slammer! He wants us to be safe.... And those sheep who know the Voice of the Shepherd, and follow Him, are safe. ]

Actually the sheep form their own sheep pens.. its always been true.. The lord is the gate to the sheep pen.. and he beckons them OUT.. by his voice.. and some follow him, some do not.. the synagogue is also a sheep pen.. Men have a tendency to organize as "clubs".. Its true.. Even within the pens there are cliques.. same is true with the reformed and with the orthodox.. monkdoms and variations of obsession.. i.e. many kinds of Baptist and RCC "groups".... sub-pens..

Is this all thought out (by me)?.. NAH!.. but the metaphor seems to work quite nicely.. And it explains(one explanation) how the Body of Christ can be varied..

3,451 posted on 03/03/2008 9:49:33 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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