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To: Mad Dawg; hosepipe; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you so much for sharing your views, dear Mad Dawg!

Well, you see, the problem with talking about it is that when the laws of the excluded middle and of non-contradiction are tossed, then what are we doing?

This:

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. - I Corinthians 2:6-16

You also said (emphasis mine:)

Sanctification is certainly a process, a "walk" (or, for Paul, a "run"), but you're saying it's a walk in which you are your own guide because you have a greater certainty that you are not running in vain that Paul does, since he checked with Cephas and those of repute.

I am not my own guide:

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

Likewise, Paul did not receive the Gospel from men - nor did he imagine it:

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called [me] by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. – Galatians 1:11-19

Moreover, the doctrine/tradition of requiring Gentiles to be circumcised would have continued had Paul not confronted the apostles and elders (Acts 15.) Or to put it another way, Paul was led correctly by the direct revelation of Jesus Christ. The men from Judea in verse 1 were led incorrectly by men.

For the record, I’m not non-denominational either. I eschew all of the doctrines and traditions of men across the board. I’m a Christian, plain and simple.

And yes, God is indeed raising a family. We are born into His family as adopted children. It is not "about" this heaven and earth, it is about the next one (Genesis to Revelation, Alpha and Omega.)

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:12-13

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. - Romans 8:15

To God be the glory!

3,297 posted on 02/28/2008 10:17:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I am not my own guide:

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

Likewise, Paul did not receive the Gospel from men - nor did he imagine it:

INDEED. Thanks.

3,300 posted on 02/29/2008 2:58:37 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Yep.

I think it's a dialectical impasse.

I would be interested din hearing what you think the "image of God" in humanity is.

3,304 posted on 02/29/2008 4:53:48 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Mad Dawg; betty boop
[ Moreover, the doctrine/tradition of requiring Gentiles to be circumcised would have continued had Paul not confronted the apostles and elders (Acts 15.) Or to put it another way, Paul was led correctly by the direct revelation of Jesus Christ. The men from Judea in verse 1 were led incorrectly by men. ]

Exactly.. the Apostles were just being Jews.. doing Jewish things.. but Paul "got it" directly from Jesus(Holy Spirit) in a manner they all had not.. I would say a double dose.. like Isaiah.. Almost the same scenario happened in Galatia but Paul was ready for it..

If the Apostles could miss something so important like forsake the (Jewish)traditions and ceremonys of your fathers so much MORE can/could the hand me down "apostles" that replaced them.. I am getting a feeling some or all RCC and EO's and a few others should re-read the book of Galatians and consider the impact and import of it.. You have highlighted a very very important possibility of ERROR by any christian.. Tradition and Ceremony can enslave the work of God in your life and hamstring it the way it almost did to ALL OF THE APOSTLES except Paul.. No doubt they were performing other traditions besides circumcision...

BRILLIANT dear girl ... brilliant..

3,310 posted on 02/29/2008 7:47:59 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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