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To: Dr. Eckleburg

No Dr. E.

The fact remains, as does that post, of the contradictions of man-made Reformation theology.

In one paragraph you said that faith brings salvation. In the next, you said that salvation brings faith.

***And at a time of God’s choosing, we will believe and know our salvation is by Christ’s atonement alone.***

There is a difference between belief and knowledge; the same difference as between the Church and the Gnostics.

God has named us all and freely offers His Grace to us all; we are free as well to accept or reject that Grace.


2,299 posted on 02/19/2008 10:46:57 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
In one paragraph you said that faith brings salvation.

I have never said that, nor would I. Election precedes belief. Regeneration precedes faith.

You're misstating my post again, and for the second time I am clarifying my post for your understanding.

If a man has faith, it is because God has given him faith.

And that faith is an emblem of that man's election by God from before the foundation of the world.

It seems to be your habit that you reply "gotcha!" at the slightest provocation. If that's what floats your boat, go right ahead.

God alone determines the names of His family. He alone adopts fallen men into His household. He alone gives eyes to see and ears to hear and a new heart with which to believe.

The church does not confer salvation. Men do not save themselves. Salvation is of the Lord. It's all His call.

Grace is unmerited, or else it is a debt owed, and God is beholden to no man.

2,310 posted on 02/19/2008 12:01:14 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr

“God has named us all and freely offers His Grace to us all; we are free as well to accept or reject that Grace.”

This is an example of one putting man’s will above God’s sovereignty. Ephesians 2:

“4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”


2,326 posted on 02/19/2008 4:54:03 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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