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To: MarkBsnr
In one paragraph you said that faith brings salvation.

I have never said that, nor would I. Election precedes belief. Regeneration precedes faith.

You're misstating my post again, and for the second time I am clarifying my post for your understanding.

If a man has faith, it is because God has given him faith.

And that faith is an emblem of that man's election by God from before the foundation of the world.

It seems to be your habit that you reply "gotcha!" at the slightest provocation. If that's what floats your boat, go right ahead.

God alone determines the names of His family. He alone adopts fallen men into His household. He alone gives eyes to see and ears to hear and a new heart with which to believe.

The church does not confer salvation. Men do not save themselves. Salvation is of the Lord. It's all His call.

Grace is unmerited, or else it is a debt owed, and God is beholden to no man.

2,310 posted on 02/19/2008 12:01:14 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You said what you said. And no amount of vehemence will possibly blur your words. They are there and they are clear. You said what you said.

You do not clarify here. You are stating something that is easily refuted by going back to the original post. Reformed theology is a man made sham and your posts support that view.

Reformed theology is evil and of the devil. It divides men and blurs the words of Jesus. Think of all the posts that the Reformed include the words of other than Jesus.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Not Calvin. And not any of the Reformers.

Reformed theology is not Christianity. We Christians understand that non Christians who do not believe in the Christian God will not attain everlasting life.

Repent and believe. Faith is not Gnostic knowledge. It is belief. Repent and believe and foresake the idiotic idea of a Gnostic elected elite that gets a limousine ride to Heaven.


2,341 posted on 02/19/2008 7:19:09 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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