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To: MarkBsnr

History shows the RCC didn’t arise until the 4th century and tried mightily to subdue all churches to her doctrine. But she was unable to do so and, along the way, adopted doctrines started by those she considered heretics (such as the supposed sinlessness of Mary) because such helped the RCC control ignorant and superstitious people.

I say that simply to set up this: it’s not accurate to say the reformed churches split off from the RCC, for the church founded by Christ on Christ with the Apostles was not the RCC - but church on grace rather than works. The name “reformed” indeed arose in response to the RCC, but many of the people of the reform movement never submitted to the rule of the popes.


1,242 posted on 02/04/2008 7:08:54 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

***History shows the RCC didn’t arise until the 4th century ***

Which history? The history with which I am familiar firmly places Peter and Paul within the Church; and Peter’s successors in an unbroken line to today. Do you possess a different history?

***along the way, adopted doctrines started by those she considered heretics ***

Would it be possible for you to list the heretics, the heresies, and the adopted doctrines?

***it’s not accurate to say the reformed churches split off from the RCC, for the church founded by Christ on Christ with the Apostles was not the RCC - but church on grace rather than works. The name “reformed” indeed arose in response to the RCC***

The Theses nailed up by Luther were submitted along with the term “Protestant”. The Reformed were actually in response to the novel theologies of Luther.

***but many of the people of the reform movement never submitted to the rule of the popes.***

Really. Do you have names?


1,247 posted on 02/04/2008 7:29:28 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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