Conclusion from Peru and Mexico

email from Randall Easter | 25 January 2008 | Randall Easter

[wmfights]

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

Amen.

The Holy Spirit is the glue that puts together the Church Militant not man.

ICor. 12:13-14 For by one Spirit we were baptized into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many.

[Campion]

We are the Reformed and we have the cure for what ails the Church in Rome. We have the gospel....

You have a false gospel. If your "cure" is so wonderful, why are all your previous patients dissolving in disunity and disbelief?

What happened to the Calvinist Netherlands?

What happened to Calvinist Scotland?

What happened to the Puritan Calvinist Massachusetts colony? (Incidentally, Calvinism fell apart there long before the Irish arrived, so don't blame them.)

Why don't you peddle your cure back to your own spiritual forebearers? They're a good deal sicker than we are; we still say the Nicene Creed with a straight face while they do not.

[ScubieNuc]

Rev 3:20 is not an evangelical Scripture. The Lord is standing at the door of a church (the church of the Laodiceans), to see if anyone alive in Him is there. The context:

I understand what you are saying about the specific context in Revelations, but are you saying that that verse can NOT be used as an example of Jesus wanting fellowship with unbelievers?

What is your basis for such a belief?

[Pyro7480]

I think the best thing to do at this point is END THIS THREAD! It’s toxic as a New Jersey Superfund site.

[Lord_Calvinus]

***If your “cure” is so wonderful, why are all your previous patients dissolving in disunity and disbelief?***

The truth is often a bitter pill. The Reformers turned turning their back on the truth went back to Rome in theology. For some reason they think that a works based gospel is more comforting. Nevertheless, the Lord has still reserved for himself those of us who will not bow our knee to any other than the Lord.

But, before the great movement of the Reformation ran out of steam, we birthed this little nation called the United States. And, we are reviving and coming alive once again.

And, no matter our numbers, we stand with the Lord, which makes us the majority.

post tenebras lux

[wmfights]

As Uncle Chip and ftd said (both of whom belong to different denominations than I) the primary belief that unites all Bible-believing Christians is that they know and believe and hold most dear the truth that Christ has paid for every one of their sins, and thus they stand today acquitted and redeemed by their Saviour who gave Himself a ransom for all those who believe on His name, by the grace of God alone.

We are united by THE GOSPEL.

We argue all kinds of things, but not Salvation by Grace Alone through Faith Alone by Christ Alone.

I believe the stumbling block for RC's, as it has been explained to me by RC's, is that they perceive defense of their church as defense of their Faith. As a result admitting error would be to admit their Faith is flawed.

[Religion Moderator]

That may become necessary.

[ScubieNuc]

Acts 10, Acts 16 and 1 Cor 1 are all ‘household baptisms’. One presumes that the infants were present in at least one of them. Scriptures do not forbid it, and, anyway, the early Church fathers wrote in support of its practice.

I suppose you could presume that if you don't examine all of the other verses that talk about baptism. When you look at the verses that talk about baptism you always see belief or repentance before it. How does a baby believe or repent?

Scriptures also don't forbid baptising pets, but I would guess you would be against that. The point is that it is a bad idea to justify doing something just because the Bible doesn't expressly say you can't.

When you resort to saying "the early Church fathers wrote in support of it." you are no longer on common ground with me. I don't elevate what "the early Church fathers wrote" to be equal to Scripture. There is a HUGE difference between the inspired Word of God and the writtings of early Church fathers.

Baptism is very much NOT required. Please see http://www.carm.org/questions/baptnec.htm for a complete Scriptural proof.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you so much for the beautiful Scripture!

[Campion]

The Reformers turned turning their back on the truth went back to Rome in theology.

We don't claim them; don't blame their treason to your "Gospel" on us. Maybe it simply doesn't work and simply doesn't make sense and simply can't last, so they turned to something else.

Have you considered that?

But, before the great movement of the Reformation ran out of steam, we birthed this little nation called the United States.

We birthed a little something called "modern Western Europe," without which you'd be speaking Chinese. And it was Catholic Europeans who got here first.

But neither of us should make an idol of our past accomplishments.

And, we are reviving and coming alive once again.

I don't see it. All you can do is to undermine the simple faith of people who love God in their own way and turn them to the "gospel" of every man being his own Pope.

And we already know how that ends.

You want a real challenge? Re-convert Scotland or the Netherlands. I'll even be rooting for you in that endeavor.

[WileyPink]

I think the best thing to do at this point is END THIS THREAD! It’s toxic as a New Jersey Superfund site.

Is this the only action, or better yet reaction, that we can get from those who oppose Scripture. It seems to me that the only ones who what to end not only this thread but others as well are those who have no argument against Scripture. Are other's opinions so "toxic" that they are to shut up? They shouldn't be.

If certain persons require rebuke by the RM or site Administrator, so be it. But don't punish free speech just because some don't like what's being said! IMO

In Christ...Alone!

[Gamecock]

As a good Presbyterian, I move for a vote.

Objection. As a good Presbyterian I demand we move it to committee.

[wmfights]

No, Thank You!

I really enjoy your heart felt posts and the Scripture you always include.

[Forest Keeper]

I think the missionaries encounter problems from the RC's because by introducing the preeminence of Scripture the argument for exclusivity falls apart and a great deal of what they do comes into question.

Yes, I couldn't agree more. I see a big part of it being a matter of W(w)ho is in control and W(w)ho has the power. Men by nature will always seek power, control, and exclusivity. Men who actually have the (human) power will naturally feel threatened by anyone who comes in and says that it is truly God Who holds all the power. That would be unacceptable.

[Pyro7480]

Don’t ever presume to read my mind, and don’t ever presume to think I “oppose Scripture!”

[wmfights]

Objection. As a good Presbyterian I demand we move it to committee.

I object. As a good Baptist, I demand the whole congregation have a say!

[MarkBsnr]

***How is this not making it personal, the idea that I either post drunk or drink for inspiration?***

Did I post either statement? Did I give the general idea? Maybe you’re reading into it what is not there. I know what I posted.

***Weren’t you also the one that made a rude disparaging remark on this thread about Dr. Eckleburg being a woman? ***

I don’t believe so. I think that women are equally as responsible or irresponsible about their beliefs as men are.

***Reformed: declared righteous, a.k.a. “Forensic Justification,” Sola Fide, alien righteousness, etc.
Catholic: made righteous, a.k.a. in their OWN person. ***

Nice to see that you’ve grasped some of the ideas there. Keep it up. You may wind up swimming the Tiber; there is the hope of Peter and Paul for you yet.

Rev 21:

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The city had no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gave it light, and its lamp was the Lamb.
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The nations will walk by its light, and to it the kings of the earth will bring their treasure.
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During the day its gates will never be shut, and there will be no night there.
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The treasure and wealth of the nations will be brought there,
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but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Nothing unclean (unholy) will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Therefore one MUST be made holy or righteous. Not merely be declared it.

***God justifies the UNGODLY.***

Very good. Unlike the Reformed, we Catholics take that very seriously. We are His creatures; He is our Creator.

***Your objection is a fiction and you really ought to not accuse others of being on a bottle when they obviously know exactly what they are talking about. ***

I take Scripture, the Catechism and the Church Fathers to be of greater worth than anything that I can add to. Methinks that thou doth protest too heartily about bottles.

I’d suggest a reading of Matthew 5-7 to go along with your newfound verses.